Fantastic idea, save for one short-coming: normally the only face that I melt is my own (no Stroh required). I should imagine I could, single-handedly, perform repairative reconstructive surgery, via my guitar, on people who've had a particularly nasty encounter with an early-'80s Eddie Van Halen.deefstes wrote:That's fantastic but might I propose a slight change to the system? In stead of rating it on percentage scale, I would recommend it is rated in units of Sebber (S) where 1 Sebber equates to 100% face meltage.Sebber wrote: (A/B)*100
WHERE: A = Number of faces melted
AND: B = Approximate total crowd headcount
AND: 100 = The whole integer 100
That way, if someone melts only one face in a crowd of 1000 his ability will be rated as one mS (milliSebber). Should he melt 1 face in a crowd of 100, of course he is rated as 1 cS (centiSebber).
Also, the scale could extend into the negative space as well. A guitarist who really sucks at, say -5 mS, would cause 5 faces in a crowd of 1000 to reconsitute if they were already molten.
So hows does one classify your ability????
Just a thought, aren't we all "Students of the Guitar" ? No matter how proficient we are at whatever style we play, are'nt we always learning something from someone, somewhere? Just as a medical doctor "practises" his profession, should we not also view it this way? I know that I do.
My aim is to continue learning the guitar until the day I go ten toes up !
My aim is to continue learning the guitar until the day I go ten toes up !
i.e. if he had just had a shot of Tequila, saw you play and regulated his face again...deefstes wrote: Also, the scale could extend into the negative space as well. A guitarist who really sucks at, say -5 mS, would cause 5 faces in a crowd of 1000 to reconsitute if they were already molten.
Wow, a whole lot of really humble, modest guys hanging out here. Are you chaps really guitar players? Most guitarists I've seen and spoken to, novice or not, think the sun rises everytime they get up off their butts. Nice to see not all of them are like that then...
Actually the sun rises about 20 minutes after I get up cause it knows I don't like glare first thing in the morning ?Eugene with an Axe wrote: Most guitarists I've seen and spoken to, novice or not, think the sun rises everytime they get up off their butts.
JK ?
It rises when I tell it to...
Well, I'm not nearly as good as Evo, but I'm intermediate. So I don't know how that works. ?
That's because this is a 'guitar forum', which is just like perpetual opposite day. You want to seem super humble so everyone assumes you shred.Eugene with an Axe wrote: Wow, a whole lot of really humble, modest guys hanging out here. Are you chaps really guitar players? Most guitarists I've seen and spoken to, novice or not, think the sun rises everytime they get up off their butts. Nice to see not all of them are like that then...
yup, definitely beginner
I missed the second page. But on the first page Vic asked a qeustion about all the early players who didnt know the theory and things. And I came across a guy a while back and hell, he could play scales and other things and I asked him to make some music with it and he scratched around a bit and that was all. So, what would that make him? I see people here talking in great depth about modes and all sorts and i feel humbled becasue it is just something I have looked at and decided that I am just way too lazy to ever try and manipulate that knowledge into practical "music". But I fiddle about a bit and enjoy the sounds I make. So, I dont know the scales and modes and cant see myslef buckling down and learning this stuff. Will I ever be more than a beginner?
b*llshit..............guidothepimmp wrote: yup, definitely beginner
For me a good guitar player is someone who can play in any situation something that makes the song or composition better than it was without it. This can be 1 note or 3000 at the speed of lightning. Although this is also highly subjective I believe that you don't need to be the best technically to do this, but you need to be a good alround musician that understands the intracies of arrangement and composition and how to use your guitar to enhance what is already there or to create something new. Technical ability for me is only important insofar it can assist me to understand what I need to do on the fretboard to play what I hear in my head. So if you can play something really simple that moves me I will rate you as a good player just as I will rate you as good when you can play Passion and Warefare note for note.
I will have to go I suck 
But I have fun ?
But I have fun ?
I AM THE BEST!
I AM THE GUITAR KING!
DO NOT COME ANY CLOSER OR PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR FACE MELTED.
This was the last person to challenge my epic skill.
Please note how their face is melted.
I AM THE GUITAR KING!
DO NOT COME ANY CLOSER OR PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR FACE MELTED.
This was the last person to challenge my epic skill.
Please note how their face is melted.
? and rightly so...............Chad Adam Browne wrote:Actually the sun rises about 20 minutes after I get up cause it knows I don't like glare first thing in the morning ?Eugene with an Axe wrote: Most guitarists I've seen and spoken to, novice or not, think the sun rises everytime they get up off their butts.
JK ?
It rises when I tell it to...
afraid being too humble as a guitarist may be polite.........but if you are at the point of getting onto a stage to perform , i must say the humble attitude is NOT the right way ........... i've always said if i get the choice ....... i'd rather be in a band working with musicians who "believe" they have something to say musically and back their talents to perform a stunning entertaining show.......... ego for an artist is a good thing , if you doubt your skills then how can you expect anyone else to want to enjoy your show...........
and a little secret ........ in the music industry many fairly below average musicians , when rated to the virtuosa's are in bands that are hugely popular and making big money in music.........
music is art .........
and in any art the trick is finding something to say "artistically" that touch or intruige other people(your fans) , and many times that does not need to be said with virtuosity , if you can say it in a basic way .......
so skill in art ..can help but is not the measuring stick........where having something "artistically ' to say is more important .........
think about nirvana ....... no great virtuosity .......... and they are just one band of a long list .........
BUT Nirvana had an awesome package as a band .....and had huge attitude and had a message that touched a whole generation of fans ,t
they are a supergroup of the 90's and got there on passion/great songs /personality / in touch with their audience but did it all with quite average (and i'm being kind) guitar technique ........... and the list goes on ........
so yes technique is always good to learn ....but i do recommend if you have something you can offer "musically" that can touch the audience , don't let your lack of technique hold you back....... ? not all music genres requires a virtuosa guitarist .........
and on that note let me end by saying i don't believe in the rating system band i always recon if you can entertain people with your art , you doing fine........ don't let others tell you what your art should be............ this of course applies to original music ......... just be creative with what you have ........ and you will see as you grow over time as a musician your genres and needs will change and you will accumilate that theory/technique ..... but that can take years .......
so in the mean time get on stage and be fabulous with what you have........... and have attitude........ it can make up for a lot of the missing technique till you learn it ...and in the mean time you will learn valuable performance/entertaining skills from being on a stage with an audience ..which is very different than in your bedroom
note ; please be clear i'm not saying technique and theory are NOT important , i am a music tutor and i believe one never stops learning about music even at a pro level it's a life long pursuit ........... BUT i am saying don't wait to have all those skills before being "creative" with your music ....
shouldn't that read "bullish*t"? don't want to seem pedantic or anything. or lead us astray of the topic.flatfourfan wrote: b*llshit..............
anyhoo. i like 7th's read of the situation - about having fun. it may not appear to have a direct bearing on ability, but i believe it does when you consider that most people will stop improving when they stop having fun. i'm no great shakes as a player: i don't practice enough, i don't apply myself to the instrument, all that stuff, but man do i have fun. hmm. i've just realized that i've contradicted myself. ok, so i have fun, but i suck. time to rectify the situation. anyone recommend a good teacher in the northern suburbs?
:-[
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:domhatch wrote:shouldn't that read "bullish*t"? don't want to seem pedantic or anything. or lead us astray of the topic.flatfourfan wrote: b*llshit..............
So here's a thought:
Beginner: Struggling to learn basic guitar techniques like changing chords, basic alternate picking, playing scales cleanly and in time at slow tempo, hammer-ons, pull-offs, etc. Not yet able to play in time with other musicians.
Intermediate: A vast area of development, but characterised by striving to achieve confidence in your chosen areas of guitar playing.
Advanced: Able to confidently play as you wish to.
By this logic, both Eric Clapton and Yngwie Malmstein are advanced. Why? Both can confidently express themselves in their respective areas of music. They can play what they want to play in a decisive, convincing manner, irrespective of Malmstein's much greater technical skills.
Also, it follows - as most of us feel intuitively - that some people on this forum calling themselves beginners is absolute BS. It's vaguely insulting in fact, both to people struggling to form an open D chord, and those who are trying to play more convincingly, to have superb players, with thousands of hours of intense practise and huge chops, classifying themselves as "just starting out."
A handful of players on this forum would be beginners. Almost all the rest would be intermediate. Advanced players would also be a tiny handful who feel that they are performing what they wish to be able to perform with great confidence (maybe none of us).
Beginner: Struggling to learn basic guitar techniques like changing chords, basic alternate picking, playing scales cleanly and in time at slow tempo, hammer-ons, pull-offs, etc. Not yet able to play in time with other musicians.
Intermediate: A vast area of development, but characterised by striving to achieve confidence in your chosen areas of guitar playing.
Advanced: Able to confidently play as you wish to.
By this logic, both Eric Clapton and Yngwie Malmstein are advanced. Why? Both can confidently express themselves in their respective areas of music. They can play what they want to play in a decisive, convincing manner, irrespective of Malmstein's much greater technical skills.
Also, it follows - as most of us feel intuitively - that some people on this forum calling themselves beginners is absolute BS. It's vaguely insulting in fact, both to people struggling to form an open D chord, and those who are trying to play more convincingly, to have superb players, with thousands of hours of intense practise and huge chops, classifying themselves as "just starting out."
A handful of players on this forum would be beginners. Almost all the rest would be intermediate. Advanced players would also be a tiny handful who feel that they are performing what they wish to be able to perform with great confidence (maybe none of us).
I like Singe's definition best so far.
But.
A scoring system is only important if someone is judging.
The alternative is to just play music.
But.
A scoring system is only important if someone is judging.
The alternative is to just play music.
The problem I find is that the more I learn, the more I realise there is to learn. Keeps you humble that... I'm also very aware of the gaping holes in my knowledge... the stuff I should have been learning instead of taking my guitar apart for the 1000th time. :-[
I've no problem filling the "hero" role for the audience - that's part of the stage show. Problem is, some guys start buying into their own hype and believing it, which starts translating into an attitude.
I've no problem filling the "hero" role for the audience - that's part of the stage show. Problem is, some guys start buying into their own hype and believing it, which starts translating into an attitude.
"Shut up and play yer guitar", huh? Obviously I agree...Wizard wrote: The alternative is to just play music.
Guitar Playing isn't something you can have a set of criteria to determine beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, SuperGod etc.Pinch wrote: For me a good guitar player is someone who can play in any situation something that makes the song or composition better than it was without it. This can be 1 note or 3000 at the speed of lightning. Although this is also highly subjective I believe that you don't need to be the best technically to do this, but you need to be a good alround musician that understands the intracies of arrangement and composition and how to use your guitar to enhance what is already there or to create something new. Technical ability for me is only important insofar it can assist me to understand what I need to do on the fretboard to play what I hear in my head. So if you can play something really simple that moves me I will rate you as a good player just as I will rate you as good when you can play Passion and Warefare note for note.
There are so many different aspects to guitar playing like timing, tone, touch etc that need to be in the pot as well.
I think "Guitarist" use these terms mainly to assist you in your playing level in the lessons section.
Let's take "Another Brick in the Wall" as an example -
Intermediate for the chord section as there are barre chords as well as some triads that possibly beginners would struggle with.
The Solo would include a couple of other skills like bending, tone, touch, a sense of the drama, no point in playing Gilmour machine like. So maybe a they would suggest Intermediate to Advanced...
But dont put yourself in a box!