? you just put a fucking huge smile on my face.....and every word is so true. It`s spot on
Your views on why the bad artists in SA make money and the better ones don`t???
++1 IMO When the previous bunch of ***** abused Afrikaans music and culture to promote their oppression, it was fuglyNot all Afrikaans music is bad and not all English music is good.
The current bunch of ****** are doing the same thing to another music and culture that I used to enjoy >
And thats why we don't get into politics here ?
what about guatemalan music?
i think its cause the good ones do it more for the love of the music itself...
bad ones do it solely for the money... which explains why its so commercial in construction...
well... thats what i think.. 8)
bad ones do it solely for the money... which explains why its so commercial in construction...
well... thats what i think.. 8)
Sad, but very true!It's a simple formula:The majority of the word are monkey-ass stupid and don't listen to music, they would rather watch "the strong ones" beating the crap out of each other at boxing/wrestling/rugby/whatever or watch cars driving around in circles for hours. But they need sweet sounds to help them find a monkey-ass stupid mate so they can reproduce and populate the planet with more of there ilk. TV and Radio are the wise one, it tell them what things are good, what shirt to wear, what beans to eat, and even better, what music is good.
I remember hearing Valiant Swart once remarking, when his latest CD made it to the Afrikaans hit parade, that he's glad to see something else than "Stink Gedrink Volume 53" on the list...
The record labels in this country are partly to blame, and it all comes down to money and what sells. The Afrikaans music industry is a great example of this. How people like DJ Ossewa and the likes can sell so many albums are beyond me. And yes, I am Afrikaans but I still don't get it.
As mentioned, party music sells. I've known quite a few local muso's who completely gave up on the local music scene because of the record companies. Certain producers and companies who I won't mention told them outright, that they will sign them, but only if they add a "beat" to their music.
A few other ones simply had bad management, that failed to steer them into the right direction. Family does not always make good business partners.
As mentioned, party music sells. I've known quite a few local muso's who completely gave up on the local music scene because of the record companies. Certain producers and companies who I won't mention told them outright, that they will sign them, but only if they add a "beat" to their music.
A few other ones simply had bad management, that failed to steer them into the right direction. Family does not always make good business partners.
I love those adverts on tv.. they rock.. ? . What stumps me is the cd covers showing the guy with the guitar and there is no guitar on the cd... hmmm.
i love the afrikaans guys that go on stage and play a guitar that not even plugged in .... and i have checked for a wireless system as well
It happens and it prompts a raised eyebrow from me sometimes. But I think we need to be careful in highlighting these things when they involve an Afrikaans musician - that can create the impression that we're saying it ONLY happens to Afrikaans musicians.Tailon wrote: i love the afrikaans guys that go on stage and play a guitar that not even plugged in .... and i have checked for a wireless system as well
What amuses me even more is when you see somebody walking around with this cool guitar just hanging there whilst they cavort and strike poses. Every now and then they'll make a motion with their hands in the general area of the strings.
That's showbiz for you.
I think there are many cases of somebody being given a guitar so that they have something to keep themselves busy when they are not singing backing vocals, shaking their ass, hitting odd percussive things or whatever. They might even be playing more or less in time and in tune but the thing will be turned down.
I suspect that sometimes Springsteen has the guitar turned down - even though he can play. It just looks cooler for him if he can strum something whilst Clarence Clemons or Nils Lofgren takes a solo.
I read an interview somewhere some time ago where Bruce himself admitted that he "feels uncomfortable" with nothing in his hands and he keeps him guitar with him unstage more to keep his hands busy. His guitarist, Nils Lofgren, is one of the more accomplished guitarist around.Bob Dubery wrote: I suspect that sometimes Springsteen has the guitar turned down - even though he can play. It just looks cooler for him if he can strum something whilst Clarence Clemons or Nils Lofgren takes a solo.
I agree that it is uncalled for to specificaly refer to Afrikaans musicians when tatlking about something - as if it is only Afrikaners that do these things. If anybody wants to bash certain groups of the population, please go join some other forum or start your own facist groups. It is not wanted here.
I think most people are just seeing Afrikaans music in the wrong way. The music is not about musical complexity but about entertainment. Like Robbie Wessel's " Looi loop ". its just a comedic song. That is why Afrikaans people like me could enjoy this kind of music because it talks in our own langauge about stuff whe do like braaing sokkie ect...(if you are Afrikaans you must have done both somewhere in your life....dont deny it.) Im really certain that most Afrikaans artists dont take their "music" to seriously but as something fun and sometimes serious to sing about .
Whe Afrikaans people should really be more proud of our langauge and use it more in our music and not reserve our better music for a English band. Afrikaans and Afrikaners are not going away soon , our population is growing and will keep on growing for a long time. (Even if most of us are in London making Babies with polish chicks and raising them in Polish , Afrikaans and English.)
And to all you Afrikaans haters atleast whe can speak and write more than one language in a lifetime and usually at the age of 8. Not being able to do this could seriously put your mental development at a great disadvantage (even if you suck in your second language like me.)
Whe Afrikaans people should really be more proud of our langauge and use it more in our music and not reserve our better music for a English band. Afrikaans and Afrikaners are not going away soon , our population is growing and will keep on growing for a long time. (Even if most of us are in London making Babies with polish chicks and raising them in Polish , Afrikaans and English.)
And to all you Afrikaans haters atleast whe can speak and write more than one language in a lifetime and usually at the age of 8. Not being able to do this could seriously put your mental development at a great disadvantage (even if you suck in your second language like me.)
Guys, no-one is attacking the Afrikaans-speaking population here - just the way they are often portrayed. To be sure, some of it is exaggerated self-satire, but sometimes it's difficult for us second-language types to pick up on it as being such. When this happens, please just set us straight and pity us for our lack of understanding.
From the other side, don't judge Afrikaans music by the popular stuff shown on the TV. Would you like someone else to judge what we English-speaking types like to listen to by what you see played on TV? Also consider that if all the English language music was being sourced locally, we'd also see a higher percentage of utter crap being peddled in our direction.
It's always been the way that it's the more simple, commercial stuff punted on TV and radio - in any language. But there's also always been a strong subculture of alternative music played live ...and at least these days it's just being ignored (like most good music) rather than being banned.
From the other side, don't judge Afrikaans music by the popular stuff shown on the TV. Would you like someone else to judge what we English-speaking types like to listen to by what you see played on TV? Also consider that if all the English language music was being sourced locally, we'd also see a higher percentage of utter crap being peddled in our direction.
It's always been the way that it's the more simple, commercial stuff punted on TV and radio - in any language. But there's also always been a strong subculture of alternative music played live ...and at least these days it's just being ignored (like most good music) rather than being banned.
Warning I going to make a sweeping statement based on my personal perspective here. In the Western Cape the Southern suburbs are mostly English speaking while the Northern Suburbs are largely Afrikaans. If you start a rock band here it is accepted that you will spend most of you gigging life trekking to the Northern Suburbs. Afrikaans people like rock music. Based on the club circus in Cape Town English people seems to like trance, techno, acid jazz, drum and base and shit.
So as an engelsman all I can say Rock on you Afrikaners you are keeping the spirit of rock alive in South Africa. (If anyone wants to flame me for this I say bring it on) ?
So as an engelsman all I can say Rock on you Afrikaners you are keeping the spirit of rock alive in South Africa. (If anyone wants to flame me for this I say bring it on) ?
Lofgren is some player. But Springsteen CAN play. And I don't mean just strum a couple of chords. Initially he didn't have a 2nd guitarist in the E-Street band and did all those duties himself. Now he has Lofgren it's clear that Springsteen's job (self-appointed I', sure) is to connect with the audience and handle the lead vocals. So the guitar is a prop sometimes. But this suggests that not being plugged in doesn't mean that you CAN'T play.sepheritoh wrote:I read an interview somewhere some time ago where Bruce himself admitted that he "feels uncomfortable" with nothing in his hands and he keeps him guitar with him unstage more to keep his hands busy. His guitarist, Nils Lofgren, is one of the more accomplished guitarist around.Bob Dubery wrote: I suspect that sometimes Springsteen has the guitar turned down - even though he can play. It just looks cooler for him if he can strum something whilst Clarence Clemons or Nils Lofgren takes a solo.
I saw Springsteen and Co in Harare in 1988. I remember the band being great, very tight, very powerful, and Lofgren's playing stood out.