This post is a gold mine. Thanks for taking the time to post
Anatomy of a mix
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Part 2: Lessons Learnt
I made some proper silly mistakes, which threw up learnings. In recording guitars I was initially trying to leave sonic space for other instruments, but it meant in tracks where there were only guitars, bass, drums and vocals, I ended up with guitar sounds that were too heavily mid-focused. With fewer instruments, there really isn't that much need to carve out frequency niches. I ended up rerecording a whole song because it just didn't jell as a whole.
On that note, when it comes to mic placement and recording, I found (and this sounds like such an obvious statement) that you can't EQ the amp for a good sound, stick a mic in front and capture that sound. Firstly, if you're standing in the room you're not hearing what a mic two inches from the cone is hearing. You gotta dial in the guitar tone with the headphones on. If it sounds good there, that's what will be printed.
One thing I really strove for was getting clean, noise-free sounds. I made a big mistake when importing from Audacity (where, actually, the majority of guitars and vocals were recorded) to Reaper because I didn't set the tempo of the destination projects. I did import the click tracks as WAVs, but it meant I only realised I'd made an error when I tried to align waveforms to get rid of phase issues. On multiple-microphone takes of the same guitar track I'd go to align waveforms/transients and I'd have to pull up the click track to fix any timing issues because I couldn't use the grid.
Obviously this is not an issue for subsequent projects I've recorded directly into Reaper. Actually, in Audacity cleaning up spaces where there should be silence is ridiculously easy and intuitive. In Reaper it's slightly more complicated, but there is also more functionality in terms of fading sounds in and out. So, I'd zoom into a vocal track to silence places where there was no singing, split the tracks between ends and beginnings of wave forms and mute the stuff in between. Then I'd use the track volume envelope to even out waveforms (totally necessary for things like the snare track) and get rid of unwanted spikes or dips. The volume envelope is also invaluable for introducing dynamics into sections of songs (making the choruses bigger, etc.).
My recording room has no sound treatment to speak of, but when it came to recording vocals we built a "booth" from a big mattress, pillows and blankets. It's doable. I'm actually pretty pleased with how the vocals came out. In processing I generally applied a little EQ, some delay to fatten, followed by some reverb and then compression. I found that each song required a slightly different setup/intensity of effects depending on instrumentation etc..
When it came to capturing guitars, I followed the usual guidance about recording quite dry and applying any effects other than drives in the DAW. For the most part, the room didn't influence all that. For acoustics, I placed the NT1 condenser a little way off the fretboard-body join, and placed an SM57 on my desk, directed at the body of the guitar by my arm. I was pretty happy with how that dual-mic setup came out, just needing to drag some waveforms around to align peaks and troughs where they were out of alignment.
I'm quite sure I did a lot of things in a painstaking, manual way when there were ways to speed up the workflow, and as time passes I find more ways to work faster, but I actually enjoyed the process of manipulation and constant listening. Just use your ears, is all I can say. I'm probably leaving out plenty because this is a pretty intensive process, so will try to think of more to add soon.
+1!
@Bluetone I'm only a 1/4 of the way through the first part, my brain exploded at all the info. ️ Was thinking of suggesting to break it down into parts...but yeah, you are already doing that - it's a monster topic for sure.
Would you mind if I did a little formatting? Nothing major (no editing/corrections) just formatting (s)ome headings and minor layout/typesetting kinda stuff). I think that'll help readability in the long term - I've and idea to sticky this in the recording section.
Oh & dig the song - anything with skating in it gets my vote - reminds me a little of the stone jets? Congratz n the local airplay, may it morph into international too!
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V8 Thanks, V8. I was actually bummed to find the editing functionality disappeared after, what, a few hours had lapsed? There were some things I wanted to go back to fix this morning...oh well. Yes, sure, clean up as you see fit!
Though the album is quite eclectic in terms of genre, most of it is a lot more in the rock camp than this song. (Will check out Stone Jets, thanks!)
Bluetone Thanks, V8. I was actually bummed to find the editing functionality disappeared after, what, a few hours had lapsed? There were some things I wanted to go back to fix this morning...oh well. Yes, sure, clean up as you see fit!
Cool, not much cleaning - just a few headings n things. When you say editing disappeared -, can you not edit your post? You should be able to - regardless of how much time passed. If so, let me know, I'll look into it.
The forum uses markdown - fairly easy to use once you get the hang of it.
Bluetone Though the album is quite eclectic in terms of genre, most of it is a lot more in the rock camp than this song
Feel free to spam us with the album/tracks as you go along ️ Always interested to hear local stuff!
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V8 Thanks - no, the little three-dot menu button to enable editing has disappeared for my posts now...
Jaaa, it wasn't really my intention, but, actually, consistency of sound and mixing may be relevant because some of the songs are so different from each other. The rest of the album is at whatever service you may use, here: [https://songwhip.com/luckypacket/ancient-history]
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Bluetone Thanks - no, the little three-dot menu button to enable editing has disappeared for my posts now...
Bizarre, Perhaps try logging out and in again - If on Chrome, we've been having issues - clearing cookies in Std mode might help, or using Incognito mode (p.i.t.a I know!)
@NorioDS - any ideas?
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Also, because this is a guitar forum, GEAR:
The acoustic is a Taylor 214CE-DLX-K.
Nearly every electric guitar sound on the album is an American Standard Tele with upgraded pickups (Fender Original Vintage - fairly cheap, but I shot them out with CS Nocasters and others and they just work better in this guitar than anything else/anything more expensive) and a Callaham vintage-style bridge (which is really the biggest and best upgrade I ever did - what a noticeable change!).
I did use a 1972 Fender Strat (also with a Callaham bridge) in a couple of places. The other guitarist also used his Gibson Les Paul Standard for his parts.
Drive sounds were nearly all provided by a Klon KTR, with an Xotic Effects SL Drive and occasionally a BB Preamp used to thicken the stew. I also used an EP Booster, though very sparingly, to change things up.
Amp was a Dr Z Maz 18 NR combo, along with a Vox MV50 through a Jensen C12K-loaded cab.
Bluetone Thanks - no, the little three-dot menu button to enable editing has disappeared for my posts now...
Well, that mystery is now solved thanks to @NorioDS - I'll make some formatting today and then you can let me know if there's anything you'd like to change - happy to hammer into a shape that you prefer.
Bluetone The rest of the album is at whatever service you may use, here: [https://songwhip.com/luckypacket/ancient-history]
Cool - thanks! Feel free to talk about/promo the band on the forum, we're cool like that. More ears is always good.
Nice!
Bluetone because this is a guitar forum, GEAR:
Heh, always good - again , feel free to start up a 'gear porn thread' @guidothepimmp usually insists on pics
@Bluetone Right-o that's my first draft of formatting - really simply, I tried to follow your flow and just group things into related bite size chunks that grab the eye but also make it easier for peeps to zero in on topics/concepts (not only on first reading but for future reference.)
Happy to change anything or revert to previous version (I made a copy ).
And I only spotted ONE typo (jell = gel), which is mighty, mighty impressive. Even with spell check I make plenty!
Indeed, and small potatoes, really. Thanks for investing the time, V8.
The only thing not killer here.. is the lack of gear pics...
guidothepimmp I've tried a few times but it just says something went wrong... Can't seem to attach anything.
Bluetone Ack, it happens. I know @NorioDS has done some fixes, so the usual things I used to run into don't apply no more.
Just done a test and I can upload attachments.
Just some troubleshooting quickly : Size of attachment (in mb) and file extension (e.g. bmp, jpg, jpeg?) and browser (Chrome/Firefox/etc). info please Can't promise that'll help us, but any info could be useful.
thanks! ️
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Two pics (.jpg) of around 4MB to 5MB each, via Edge. I did also try with Chrome, though, with the same result.