they mention somewhere in the thread that it was removedHmmm... what happened to that big ass Gibson logo that was glued to the top?
EDIT: dont know how true that is ?
they mention somewhere in the thread that it was removedHmmm... what happened to that big ass Gibson logo that was glued to the top?
So Mark, any chance of giving us the skinny on what actually happened here? I remember reading that thread at the time and wondering what had happened. To be honest, I'm glad that guitar hasn't left our shores, and I don't know what your intentions are with it, but I hope it stays here. I sleep better at night knowing there is a 1960 Burst less than 5km from me! ?Vintage Guitar wrote:That's not what I call her.. ?nick wrote: Ahh the infamous 'disgrace' burst ?
The logo came off easily, I slid a business card under the logo and in a matter of minutes it popped right off.Manfred Klose wrote:they mention somewhere in the thread that it was removedHmmm... what happened to that big ass Gibson logo that was glued to the top?
EDIT: dont know how true that is ?
Well, I think it is also a good case that the Guitar stayed here in South Africa and not to a US dealer...shaunf wrote:So Mark, any chance of giving us the skinny on what actually happened here? I remember reading that thread at the time and wondering what had happened. To be honest, I'm glad that guitar hasn't left our shores, and I don't know what your intentions are with it, but I hope it stays here. I sleep better at night knowing there is a 1960 Burst less than 5km from me! ?Vintage Guitar wrote:That's not what I call her.. ?nick wrote: Ahh the infamous 'disgrace' burst ?
Also, if you come across any old Marshall kit like old cabs, heads etc that aren't in a condition you're interested in, please let me know. I had quite a bit of fun restoring an old 4x12 that another forumer got from you, and that I ended up with in a trade.
I'm just up the road from you, in Hillcrest.
It's rarity value. Gibson only made 1700 LP standards before canning the LP range in 1961. Of those, not all were sunbursts. Of those that are sunbursts, not all have attractive figuring in the maple cap.Manfred Klose wrote: i dont know much about the value of vintage gibsons, but can someone please clarify why this guitar is worth so much ?
Well I don't know why it should be a good thing, and realistically it's going to end up overseas at some point. The market is too small here, and you won't get full value for such an instrument. SA is a good place for BUYING these instruments, but not for selling them. To realise the full value of that guitar it will have to be sold overseas.kapepper wrote: Well, I think it is also a good case that the Guitar stayed here in South Africa and not to a US dealer...
Also location is everything. You ever been to S.Africa? With 45k in CASH??? (in a country/city/culture you effectively know nothing about.) Seriously? I'm not interested in dying over a guitar. Hiring the job out was smart. I just picked the wrong guy.
Hey Shaun, I got your number. We should meet up and I will give you the lowdown and talk vintage gear.shaunf wrote:So Mark, any chance of giving us the skinny on what actually happened here? I remember reading that thread at the time and wondering what had happened. To be honest, I'm glad that guitar hasn't left our shores, and I don't know what your intentions are with it, but I hope it stays here. I sleep better at night knowing there is a 1960 Burst less than 5km from me! ?Vintage Guitar wrote:That's not what I call her.. ?nick wrote: Ahh the infamous 'disgrace' burst ?
Also, if you come across any old Marshall kit like old cabs, heads etc that aren't in a condition you're interested in, please let me know. I had quite a bit of fun restoring an old 4x12 that another forumer got from you, and that I ended up with in a trade.
I'm just up the road from you, in Hillcrest.
Would love that! Hope to hear from you soon!Vintage Guitar wrote:Hey Shaun, I got your number. We should meet up and I will give you the lowdown and talk vintage gear.shaunf wrote:So Mark, any chance of giving us the skinny on what actually happened here? I remember reading that thread at the time and wondering what had happened. To be honest, I'm glad that guitar hasn't left our shores, and I don't know what your intentions are with it, but I hope it stays here. I sleep better at night knowing there is a 1960 Burst less than 5km from me! ?Vintage Guitar wrote:That's not what I call her.. ?nick wrote: Ahh the infamous 'disgrace' burst ?
Also, if you come across any old Marshall kit like old cabs, heads etc that aren't in a condition you're interested in, please let me know. I had quite a bit of fun restoring an old 4x12 that another forumer got from you, and that I ended up with in a trade.
I'm just up the road from you, in Hillcrest.
I was offered $3k. Nobody on the lespaulforum has mentioned that the guy helping his buddy out was trying to take $2k for himself.kapepper wrote:
Well, I think it is also a good case that the Guitar stayed here in South Africa and not to a US dealer...
I also wonder, if the US guy was thinking if those guys in Africa are stupid....
You give a south african guy (who happens to be very knowledgeable about the issue) 5k to pick up one of the most sought after guitars for a real bargain price. Hold on to the guitar and bring it to the US and give it to the US guy who will probably sell the guitar asap for double or triple money....
I only wonder what would have happened if Graceland guitars had done this and
- the guitar would have been stolen afterwards
- or was already stolen before... you know what have happened to me and the Jazz bass
- was not as original and worth that money
- was damaged during transport
- was a complete scam
- etcetera
The US buyer is just kicking himself for not being more pragmatic and just travelled to South Africa
I will go anywhere in the world for a chance to buy another one. ?makepeace wrote: Very interesting story.
Loved this one:
Also location is everything. You ever been to S.Africa? With 45k in CASH??? (in a country/city/culture you effectively know nothing about.) Seriously? I'm not interested in dying over a guitar. Hiring the job out was smart. I just picked the wrong guy.
Of course not. You probably call her "mine". ?Vintage Guitar wrote: That's not what I call her.. ?
I only wonder how you explain that to your wife ?Vintage Guitar wrote:I will go anywhere in the world for a chance to buy another one. ?makepeace wrote: Very interesting story.
Loved this one:
Also location is everything. You ever been to S.Africa? With 45k in CASH??? (in a country/city/culture you effectively know nothing about.) Seriously? I'm not interested in dying over a guitar. Hiring the job out was smart. I just picked the wrong guy.
When a burst comes up for air you have to move quickly.
^ The guy who posted this is an idiot, as if the over inflated value of this thing is somehow going to lessen because someone got screwed over...Also the hinting that they have some sort of secret society thing going on is pretentious and super lame...I hope the guy enjoys THAT burst, because this is a pretty damn small community, and word gets around......
"emotional" I almost fell off my chair laughing at that.This is exactly what happens when you try to cut too many $ corners in buying a "thing" as rare, as distant, and as "emotional" as a Burst
That they do...U guys sound like a bunch of women in a sewing circle...
To be honest I think you miss the point Chad....the out-burst (excuse the pun) is around the alleged "lack of honesty and integrity" of the appointed "agent" from their perspective. The article, or value of such, has nothing to do with the debate.Chad Adam Browne wrote: Just some choice quotes off their forum.
^ The guy who posted this is an idiot, as if the over inflated value of this thing is somehow going to lessen because someone got screwed over...Also the hinting that they have some sort of secret society thing going on is pretentious and super lame...I hope the guy enjoys THAT burst, because this is a pretty damn small community, and word gets around......
"emotional" I almost fell off my chair laughing at that.This is exactly what happens when you try to cut too many $ corners in buying a "thing" as rare, as distant, and as "emotional" as a Burst
That they do...U guys sound like a bunch of women in a sewing circle...
I think the whole thing is daft, mainly just cause I'm not nostalgic so the whole rarity thing wouldn't influence my interest in the guitar and the fact that it's old is actually a huge negative in my mind. Why do people seem to go so bonkers over guitars that were made to far lower tolerances than those of today? (Rhetorical)
It's great that there are so many people who are willing to spend small fortunes on guitars that don't really have any quantifiable advantage over modern guitars, I find it quite annoying that there's an entire guitar playing culture that has developed around the idea that somehow these relic instruments are of a higher tier than the things you can get today...
TL;DR: I still think the whole vintage thing is stupid, also as is generally my experience these old school "tone afficionados" generally can't play well enough to warrant their opinions, you do get the exception to the norm but often they don't have the skills to back their mouths IMO ?