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NorioDS Am I missing anything?

I'd check if the truss rod is working (turns w/o grinding excessively) and neck is straight-ish, frets have some life in them (not overly deep grooves). Eish, a re-fret is north of R1500...though a fret dress (leveling frets) is a reasonable R400-ish.

Also, what material is the body? I know many starfire's are MIJ - so they could be a solid wood and decent &/or reusable parts. I'm not against ply - but I stop short of chipboard (which I've seen)

So pics will help!. Also, let's have a look under the pickguard, you might have decent pots and pups (alinco magnets) under there too.

You can't be tempted into DIY'ing it a little and then getting it to the tech for final setup & anything you couldn't do?

V8 You can't be tempted into DIY'ing it a little and then getting it to the tech for final setup & anything you couldn't do?

With the right amount of help, I think I could.

Plus its content for YouTube 🤣

Ok so let me get some pics going as my next step so you can edify this DIY-timid soul!

  • V8 replied to this.

    If the integrity of the guitar is sound. I'd focus on tuners and pickups first.

    NorioDS Plus its content for YouTube 🤣

    What possiby could go wrong? 😆 😆 😆

    But do start looking at parts - like @studmissile said, first tuners and pickups - at least to set the bar against which to decide to upgrade or not?

      @NorioDS Is it just tone that prevents you from picking the guitar up? Is it a fun guitar to play?

      studmissile to be honest I don’t think it’s ever even had a setup.

      I stopped playing it the moment I got my Ibanez RG470. I might’ve picked it up a few times but probably wasn’t trying "strat" friendly riffs on it 😝

      So I don’t even remember its tone. I’ve just kept it all these years because of the sentimental value but it feels silly keeping it and not playing it.

        Is the neck comfortable to play? No nasty fret edges? Is the action too high? Fret Buzz? If you've never really connected with it as a playable guitar, it unfortunately might not be?

        As Studmissile indicates. If you find the guitar playable (fits well, feels OK, plays lekker) and only hate the sound, it is worth it to work on it. After you have exhausted all the options of pickup height, action, volume-tone settings.

        If you do decide to work on it, start with fine-tuning the setup. Fit/make a bone nut.
        One needs to know what pots, capacitors and pickup type is in it, might be easy to start with re-wiring to a different 5 position switch option and tone control options, with smaller capacitors. If the pots are small, go CTS Log pots all round. Treble bleed (Kinman type) on the Volume pot, tone pot for the Neck and Middle pickups, and a tone pot for the Bridge. You could look at the posts I made on my Korean Squire Strat.

        studmissile Is the neck comfortable to play? No nasty fret edges? Is the action too high? Fret Buzz? If you've never really connected with it as a playable guitar, it unfortunately might not be?

        All great questions. I need to take her for a spin. I don't remember at all. I think the jack was a bit scratchy but that's usually not too serious.

          modulator might be easy to start with re-wiring to a different 5 position switch option and tone control options, with smaller capacitors. If the pots are small, go CTS Log pots all round. Treble bleed (Kinman type) on the Volume pot, tone pot for the Neck and Middle pickups, and a tone pot for the Bridge. You could look at the posts I made on my Korean Squire Strat.

          This was Greek to me 😛

          I've just assumed it's a rubbish guitar because that's what I've heard (and vaguely remember). But it could just be that I was after a fatter sound and now, a more mature version of me might be open to some single coil sounds.

          I'll take all my guitars out today and hopefully take this one for a spin and come back with some notes on it.

          Thanks all!

            I did a very similar thing to this on my first electric a couple of years ago.
            I replaced the turners and dropped in a completely wired scratch plate.
            The tuners were pretty generic but a lot better than the previous set. The scratch plate was from a 90s MIJ strat and sounds great. I got both from SAMIS and picked them up for a song.

            ... now that I think about it I might have replaced the bridge too... but apparently I'm getting old because I can't quite remember.

            Yeti That's cool! What did it set you back for the tuners and scratch plate?

            A fully wired scratch plate, if it comes in the right colour, might be a fun way for me to upgrade the look of the guitar at the same time. It's an awful blue with a plain white scratchplate. Black might look a bit edgier and suit me better.

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              NorioDS
              It was only a few hundred rand all told.... but I did spend some time shopping around

              Yeti That's great!

              I suppose that once I know what I want, I'll know what to look for. Right now, it's all completely undefined.

              "Shoot for nothing, hit nothing."

                Ok so the frets need some filing down!

                Tone sounds ok through my bass amp. Haven’t tested on my BR-600 coz its batteries are flat. And the micro terror is being packed up to sell.

                Main thing I noticed is scratchy sounds from switching pickups. I think it’s just rust or similar. A slap gets it working again.

                More pics coming

                  Taking it apart was super easy! Makes me feel confident that I can swap out some parts. I’d prefer to avoid soldering if I can though. Zero experience and no tools.

                    studmissile

                    After a bit of Googling, damn, it looks like it could’ve been built in Japan! Nagoya is on the neck plate and it’s a city in Japan.

                    Maybe I have a half decent strat copy on my hands?!

                    Here’s the tuners:

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                      NorioDS Japan.

                      Maybe I have a half decent strat copy on my hands?!

                      Looks like it! I've google it before, but there is not much more info than you found.

                      1. Tuners - is there any slop (play when you tighten/loosen the winder?). These tuners can be hit n miss, sometimes they're fine, usually not. Cheap upgrade (R350ish) to something from blackbeards den.TerryD - figure out what part you need from this handy guide. Install isn't always straightforward, might need to do a little fitting, widen the peg holes, re-drill a few mounting holes.

                      It's easy to drop R2k+ on fancy tuners - I wouldn't until you are are using that guitar a lot.

                      1. Pickups - I'm guessing but those look like ceramic magnet'ed pickups. The steel baseplate is eerily familiar (Like the ones in my strat). Not a bad pickup, but certainly not regarded as a classic sounding strat puckip, ceramic magnets tend to be a bit trebley/harsh, often slightly higher output and can handle a bit of gain - though these you have are probably microphonic (mine are!)

                      if you can find someone upgrading their Classic VIbe Squire, grab those pickups! See what alinco pups are floating sourng the 2nd hand market. I did find a source for Classic Vibe replacement pups via Paul Bothners - last I checked (2018?) was around R550/pup

                      I'd get the guitar playable before this upgrade - A/B with a few of the GT'ers strats before deciding.

                      1. Wiring
                        Ummm, can't really tell from the photo's if the pots/switch are decent or not. Alpha pots are usually fine, these probably fine for now - might need a service with some switch cleaner to cure some scratchiness?

                      Upgrades to these parts, I think it's a good idea (CTS/Switchcraft bits) - tone difference? It's always debatable - I think when I've done a upgrades to the pots/switch I've gotten a decent result. Though I usually change pot values/upgrade wiring/add in a mod.

                      1. Frets

                      I can't really see them in any photo - though in one, they do look a bit worn below the 7th fret? Likely a partial fret dress -that's a job I'd pay for someone to do - crowning frets is a PITA - second to none.

                      1. Body/rest

                      That looks like a solid piece of wood - I'm not spying any ply or chipboard? If it's lightweight possibly basswood, if not maybe alder. Nice colour, looks classy with maple fretboard.

                      Someone will say you should add a high mass bridge block - easy enough, but not the callaham block made of unobtanium - you can find better places for that $!

                      Nut - can get a graphtech one for cheap - but likely it will need a little setup to fit nice. Saddles look fine for now. Scratchy jack is often just a little cleanup & tighten in the socket.

                      Nice one, that was fun!