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I should look at some of these resources in depth... my "song writing" has been very "mish mash" or however I "feel" it should be. lol

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    really interesting @V8 /meron. am definitely going to check these out.

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    I'd treat the info as a bookmark - when you have a call to apply some songwriting theory, then dig into it - the info is far easier learned when applied to a practical example?

    I like the artist series that the Holistic fellow does - that's a really useful thing to tap into if your composition reminds you of something or you are just a big fan and want to emulate your hero(s)

    warrenpridgeon I should look at some of these resources in depth...

    Find practical examples to apply it to - the band is a great place to start. Take a old tune, analyze and apply. Perhaps re-writing a section will work, maybe it won't. But in trying you'll learn. I suspect you (like me) have a looonng liost of things you'd like to learn, but you seldom manage to sit and dedicate a chunk (week or more) to just doing one thing.

    For me - sitting and grinding through that one thing was the key to 'making it my own'. When I sat and grinded through the simplest bass lessons for 3mths - no guitar, no GAS attacks! Only playing through the lessons with a couple practical examples - everyone noticed that my feel had improved a LOT. And about two years later, I have the basics of fingerstyle bass that I can build on - which I'm rather pleased about!

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    V8 I've found the same. I'm no master song smith, but studying the greats is a favourite pastime. I've even developed a bit of a game for myself, although it's a bit off-topic, I'll explain the principles, coz I think think they can be of benefit in writing:

    A while back I became obsessed with movie soundtracks. Found I liked some composers more than others:
    - John Williams, obviously, but he quickly gets old; same old, same old. You've heard one motif, you've heard them all. Instantly identifiable.
    - Hans Zimmer is quite cool, like the way he mixes it up; synths and live instruments together, there's that Jean-Michel Jarre thing about some of his music, but he's also somewhat identifiable; less so than Williams.
    - Homeboy Trevor Rabin, really enjoy his stuff. Quite versatile, almost always a surprise when his name shows up in the 'Music By' credit.

    Anyway, the game is as follows:
    You go to the movies
    You guess the composer before you see the name
    If you're right, you win
    Best played with two or more players, but can be played alone. So long as you don't cheat.

    Why I think it's possibly applicable here is that studying a songwriter and/or band can have a similar effect. You can really get into that person's groove. Start to understand what motivates them to make certain moves (within, between and to different keys, etc). What drives the melody, what moves the beat, etc.

    Elton John and Bernie Taupin have always been of particular interest to me. For instance, Taupin intended the song Crocodile Rock to be slower, a more maudlin and introspective look at the 50s. But John immediately saw the boppy potential of the 50s-inspired lyric, and hit his first US number 1. Would that have happened with a single songwriter? Who knows.

    Some of my other faves are Simon & Garfunkel, ALL the Beatles, Jim Morrison and Ray Manzarek, Queen (who have the incredible and probably unbeatable record of being the only band thus far in music history where every member of the band has written a number 1 hit song [in the UK I think]), Nirvana... oh, and Lady Gaga.

    That last one is true. Seriously. Look her up. Ok, it's not true, I don't like the music she writes. But if you want to write catchy pop, you seriously can do much, much worse than study the shite she writes for herself and other artists. Besides, she has an awesome voice, and plays a damn fine piano.

    I'm going on a bit here, but I think you get the general idea.

    Cheers
    dh|

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