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I'm insane for ever thinking I could do this ?

You'll notice in this video that I rush through the "fast" part so I can get to the nice 'n slow "my own damn thing" part. Both sound pretty equally awful but I'm just glad the pain is over.

I figure with another 2-4 weeks, it might sound like something. Kudos to @V8. Methinks he's won already!

Sorry for the video being out of time. I couldn't help that. I recorded the video on my phone and then added in the audio from my BR-600.

PS: I'm not all sour-puss about this terrible performance of mine ? I'm glad we did this challenge. It really got my playing again and I might just stick with Scuttle Buttin' until I can play it properly. I enjoyed most parts of the challenge. Just not so much today ?

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    Here's my DI'ed recordings...not that I'm exactly proud of them. But my fingers are a bit tender from today's efforts, so it'll have to do.

    135 bpm. Eventually I've started to get cleanish licks, occasionally with a hint of the feel that I've been struggling to find. But only a coupla times, can't get it consistently.

    DI'ed into Roland Quad Capture, a few plugin's and then did two versions. One neck pickup and one neck & middle pickup. Tonewise - I prefer the neck, but I think the neck and middle is more in the ballpark?

    NorioDS Kudos to @V8. Methinks he's won already!

    It's been forever since I have paid this much attention to metronomes/bpm while practicing. A rather humbling experience, thanks @NorioDS ?

    Thanks man! I honestly thought your clip's lick had more feel, something I only started to find a hint of this evening.

    What I learnt :

    Norio's challenge's are machocistic. All of them! ?
    I still don't play 16ths very well.
    I don't pick consistently across strings. Particularly them teeny tiny treble strings on electrics. yuk.
    I'm spending too much time jamming @ 90-110bpm. Above 120 was well outside my happy place!

    Technically, I couldn't play the first four 16th notes as individually picked notes - So yesterday, I came up with a motion that Is kinda like a downward sweep and then upward rake to play these first four 16th notes of the lick.

    The rest of the lick I could mostly get, but that opening burble of notes was impossible for me to get as funky ass authentic as SRV.

    V8 But my fingers are a bit tender from today's efforts, so it'll have to do.

    It's odd isn't it? I think I played better before trying to record than I did yesterday on "d-day". I have some video clips from last week that, despite an ungodly amount of distortion, actually sound quite a bit better than my entry.

    V8 Tonewise - I prefer the neck, but I think the neck and middle is more in the ballpark?

    Definitely prefer the neck.

    V8 Norio's challenge's are machocistic. All of them! ?

    Life begins at the end of your comfort zone ?

    V8 I don't pick consistently across strings.

    I have the same issue with my dynamics. Challenges like these might actually get us to improve. It's hard NOT to notice the "overly loud" notes as you're trying to learn something with SO many damn notes that you don't have time to do it slowly ?

    V8 I'm spending too much time jamming @ 90-110bpm. Above 120 was well outside my happy place!

    Totally had the same experience except my comfort zone was in the 60bpm to 90bpm range. I mostly noodle over ballads... just because that's all I could manage. In my 20s, a little speed didn't scare me but that's coz I was mostly using legato and the 3-note-per-string scale. Makes it dead-easy.

    V8 Technically, I couldn't play the first four 16th notes as individually picked notes - So yesterday, I came up with a motion that Is kinda like a downward sweep and then upward rake to play these first four 16th notes of the lick.

    Definitely had a similar issue. I didn't quite get the upwards rake. Hoping a few more (relaxed) practice sessions will get me there.

    V8 The rest of the lick I could mostly get, but that opening burble of notes was impossible for me to get as funky ass authentic as SRV.

    Actually trying to play this song really does give you tons more respect for the legend. I mean I loved him already but, good grief, the man could play. You don't really gain that appreciation for an artist until you attempt the same thing they did.

    Great challenge but I'm also glad this part is over ?

    If I ever improve my playing of this song, I'll hopefully remember to post it here in the Learning Scuttle Buttin thread.

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      NorioDS think I played better before trying to record than I did yesterday on "d-day".

      The dreaded recording "brain/finger freeze". Nothing is quite as effective as that blinking red light at testing how well you can do it under pressure.

      NorioDS V8 Norio's challenge's are machocistic. All of them! ?

      Life begins at the end of your comfort zone ?

      Haha, true. Though my fingers were certainly NOT liking it yesterday after around 45m of solid playing.

      NorioDS I didn't quite get the upwards rake. Hoping a few more (relaxed) practice sessions will get me there.

      I got to thinking it as a staggered down & up strum, but piking strings instead of strumming them. The upwards rake was just for the open B string, tricky I often got the open high E on the way up. I like the idea, will be practicing it more - liked the sound/feel.

      But relaxing at the higher bpm's was near impossible. Especially picking hand/arm/shoulder - everything got tense trying to get pick fast & clean on the strings.

      NorioDS I mean I loved him already but, good grief, the man could play. You don't really gain that appreciation for an artist until you attempt the same thing they did.

      2000% ? I can play a little bit of pride n joy and mary had a little lamb - but when you get deeper into his work it helps a LOT to have great chops (unlike me!). And we didn't get into his lead playing, which is next level (imho).

      NorioDS Great challenge but I'm also glad this part is over

      Yeah, +1 to that. I got a bit gatvol around day9/10, but coming back to it was a challenge in patience and has it's rewards - even if we don't see them immediately.

      All in I spent around 4h15m (inc yesterday's recording efforts) on this challenge over 15 daze. This was 'focussed' practice on only Scuttle Buttin and not just noodle time (which I did plenty, but not on Scuttle Buttin). Not quite as successful as I hoped, but I did get some technical insights and hopefully a new technique to work into my playing.

      So kimosabie, you ready for Part II or shall we take a short break to recuperate. I should probably admit that I did do some work on Peace Sells and Raining Blood...kept me from smashing stuff ?

      V8 So kimosabie, you ready for Part II or shall we take a short break to recuperate. I should probably admit that I did do some work on Peace Sells and Raining Blood...kept me from smashing stuff ?

      Sies! Cheat ?

      I like the idea of a break so go do work on something else ? I've just installed the new poll extension for this forum software so we can start the voting today.

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        Ohhh, you got polls working - well done!

        NorioDS Sies! Cheat ?

        I like the idea of a break so go do work on something else ?

        Hehe, I'll give you one last chance to pick something else...something metal flavoured from 80/90's. Still think running through some Metallica riff's would be fun!

        V8 Ohhh, you got polls working - well done!

        I can't take any of the credit. I just installed the extension that someone else (finally) built ?

        Hehe, I'll give you one last chance to pick something else...something metal flavoured from 80/90's

        Okay you asked for it ... how about the solo for Maiden — The Trooper? ? (Yep, totally serious. Mad. Off my rocker. Lost it. But serious ?)

        V8 Still think running through some Metallica riff's would be fun!

        Yeah it's growing on me but they're not on Rocksmith which means I'll have to go find some lessons I trust. ?

        NorioDS Maiden — The Trooper? ? (Yep, totally serious. Mad. Off my rocker. Lost it. But serious ?)

        And if you think I'm mad... I could have suggested we do Vai's version ?

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          NorioDS And if you think I'm mad...

          Naaahhh, just a masochist!

          Hmm, I did consider Iron Maiden, but the harmony guitar parts don't lend themmselves to solo playing unless there is a looper in the mix?

          P.s. I recall you saying Metallica riff's are..."Too easy". Pffftt, I say. Pffft. ?

            5 days later

            @V8 I think voting on phase 1 will end today or tomorrow. Whadya say you flip a plectrum today and we start phase two tomorrow morning?

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              The previous duel went off well, but you made voting difficult.

              Players' skill, well, tie.
              Guitar sound: The paddle does sound better on the neck pickup. Does get rather "stratty"...
              Tone Winner would be the pointy one.
              Pointy player did put in most "feel", and could really work this into a slow blues masterpiece if continued.

              Well done!

              NorioDS Whadya say you flip a plectrum today and we start phase two tomorrow morning?

              Sweettt, 1x JazzIII plectrum flicked and the song is...

              Peace Sells (but who's buying?).

              Goooood luck, @NorioDS - you is gonna need it ?

              V8 Peace Sells (but who's buying?).

              Nice.

              Good luck to you both. May the man with the pointy headstock win. ;P

              modulator Players' skill, well, tie.

              I must be honest I thought similarly, and ultimately voted for the "correct" headstock.

              (Just to qualify, by "correct" I mean pointy, obviously.)

              modulator Pointy player did put in most "feel", and could really work this into a slow blues masterpiece if continued.

              Much appreciated! Funny you should mention that, yesterday morning my wife caught me on video, working on translating Scuttle Buttin' into a more fingerpicked style:

              Hoping to add a bit of a jazzy rhythm to it and maybe a few embellishments between the main riffs.

              ChrisDanger I must be honest I thought similarly

              Much obliged ?

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                V8 Sweettt, 1x JazzIII plectrum flicked and the song is...

                Peace Sells (but who's buying?).

                Awesome! Very glad it's not the triplets madness of Slayer!

                For those keen to follow along with us as we try and learn Megadeth's "Peace Sells" ? clickety, click.

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                NorioDS working on translating Scuttle Buttin' into a more fingerpicked style:

                Niccceee....glad to see I wasn't the only one resorting to a paddle headstock... ?

                I also did a version last week, went with fingernail as a pick - was trying for a turn of speed. Thought it might be a bit easier with the fatter nylon strings. I think i r starting to get the feel of the lick - I think!

                15 days later
                NorioDS changed the title to Challenge: The Pointy vs Paddle headstock Duel!.
                  6 days later

                  Time to fess up... I've been trying to get one of the really fast (but quite simple) lead parts down. I can only get it sounding right about 1 time out of 20... ?

                  Still, it was good practice.

                  After a couple tries, in the end I decided to just stick to the rhythm parts with one (tiny and slow) lead part. Funny thing is, I was playing it perfectly until I decided to do my "final" recording. Then I screwed it up royally. But it's time to end this so I can get to work, so I didn't re-record. Here it is, folks. Warts & all. You'll just have to deal with it ?

                  The recording was done DI'ed into my BR-600. Recorded the video on the missus' G5X camera in the hopes that I wouldn't get the out-of-sync issue I had with my phone. I then pulled the video and the BR-600 tracks into Screenflow and sync'ed them up. I lowered the volume on the camera track so you don't here AS MUCH of the strings. But I figured it was more fun if I left in the laugh when I'm screwing up the (stupid-easy) solo.

                  On the BR-600, I used the "Metal Lead" patch. I would have preferred to have used my amp but the last time I did that, the sound I recorded and the sound I heard while playing were VERY different. So I kept it a bit simpler this time by just DI-ing into the BR.