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Hey guys. The band that I've been playing in has been going through an 'unstable' patch recently and I'd really like some input from some of the more experienced guys.

It started off with myself and our singer + rhythm guitarist just jamming some Metallica songs at his workshop around May this year, but we always had the intention of becoming a gigging band, and a while later we asked a friend who had started bass a few months before May to join us. After that we added a drummer and in the past two months things have gotten more serious - we've started putting some of our own songs together and building up our repertoire, practicing everything and getting some decent equipment. We have some open mic experience and have gigs starting in three weeks. I'm really excited to play but at the same time I cringe at what's to come.

Here's the problem. Since we've started our bassist hasn't been pulling his weight at all. He is super lazy, doesn't learn or practice his parts (I've taught him some basic basslines that he could do so that he could at least play something with us, but he goes home, doesn't bother to write them down or practice them at all, forgets them, and comes back the next week and I have to reteach him. This happens all the time). His attitude is all wrong, we have about 10 songs that we always jam, but he takes no initiative in learning them, or doing anything at all. Basically we must either beg and babysit him, or nag him everyday to learn his bits.

Now before I go further I'm adding that he has been playing his instrument for less than the rest of us, so some of the things he does I don't bring up. Mind you, when I started guitar I sat for hours during my Christmas holidays with a classical guitar and tab until I could play Stairway to Heaven smoothly. Also, I made it absolutely clear to everyone what direction we were taking and that one day we were going to have to get really serious about the future of the band. I really thought that more of an effort would have been made - he does no afterschool activities at all, is going to bass lessons, but still doesn't know where G and D are on the fretboard :'( <---another thing I've begged him to learn, even if it's only every second note on one string! :'(

I'm feeling really demotivated at the moment - I hate arriving at practices knowing that there's going to be some shit excuse and that I'm going to have to count time for myself, the singer, and the bassist, and then write all the parts for the guitar, and then all the parts for the bassist. And remind him that he's playing the wrong part or that he's out of tune. Think of it like this: if I had four arms, I would be playing lead and rhythm guitar with two, and bass guitar with the other two.

Let me give you an example of said lazyness: when our drummer joined us we decided to add Californication to our list and everyone went to go learn their parts. The three of us had our parts down in a week, but we could only add the bass guitar in 4 months later - and this is no exaggeration.

What's more, our bass player will be leaving the day after our second gig (29 November) which means we will have no bassist for the entire holiday - for which we've been to practicing hard to get as many gigs as possible.

There is one more thing I'll mention - we've been considering some names for the band - long story short - we had 40 minutes before school to decide on a band name. Both the bassist and myself were sick at the time; I came to school for the morning to decide with the singer. Our bassist didn't come to school that day and left it up all up to myself and the singer - when we asked for suggestions and ideas over Whatsapp we got no help at all. He was sick - so was I - but this is probably the thing that has got to me most.

I'm tight with our drummer and singer, and I want this to work, but I can't help but feel our bassist is 'riding the fame' if you know what I'm trying to say? :/

I'd really appreciate some thoughts on this matter. It was a long read, and I'm very grateful for any thoughts ?
    It's quite simple really. Get another bass guitarist.
    Any band member here will tell you, you absolutely must contribute or be replaced.

    It's like sailing across the ocean on a yacht, there are no passengers, everyone must hoist the sails.
      DaFiz wrote: It's quite simple really. Get another bass guitarist.
      Any band member here will tell you, you absolutely must contribute or be replaced.
      +1.

      Do it now, before he decides he doesn't want to continue right before a big gig (which is usually what happens).
        Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
        DaFiz wrote: It's quite simple really. Get another bass guitarist.
        Any band member here will tell you, you absolutely must contribute or be replaced.
        +1.

        Do it now, before he decides he doesn't want to continue right before a big gig (which is usually what happens).
        And before you've been together longer which will mean maybe he has invested money and maybe you've had more gigs then you'll feel less likely to do it.
          DaFiz wrote: It's quite simple really. Get another bass guitarist.
          Any band member here will tell you, you absolutely must contribute or be replaced.
          +1 .... absolutely!! Get rid of him. You can't be that desperate with such a person.
            It's part of the learning curve, learn to fire members. It's horrible and friendships will be destroyed, but it's the name of the game. When you start a band, especially your first band, you always think your members will improve, but they usually don't. Get people who are better or at the same level as you. It might take longer for the band to get gigging, but it's a lot more productive when you can focus on your own stuff and you have a bassist that just does his own thing and does it good. In the year I've been playing with my bassist, I have never had to tell him once to do this or that. he just does the right thing every time. But on the other end, we have had three drummers since August last year. After our second drummer we made a simple list of recommendations:

            - Own transport and Gear
            - Skill better or the same as the rest of us
            - Must not have crazy chick
            - must not have drug problem
            - must be reliable
            - must be as passionate about the whole thing as the rest of us

            ..and we are sticking to this. ?
              I would have fired his lazy arse months ago. You want to be a great band, learn to fire your band mates that don't pull their weight. Shit, Lars and Jamez fired Dave cause he was a nasty drunk (bit at least he could play)!
                Get rid of him asap,he,s not transparent and accountable.Fire him.. good riddens..
                  It's a privilege to be in a band and this chance comes maybe once in a lifetime. He is wasting your - (and your other band members') - time and dedication. Get another bass player!
                    lindsmuse wrote: It's a privilege to be in a band and this chance comes maybe once in a lifetime. He is wasting your - (and your other band members') - time and dedication. Get another bass player!
                    I personally have no issue with someone being a little "weaker" as a musician, as long as the passion is there and they are doing something about becoming better... Passion goes a long way... you can even be only "semi competent" and still fulfil your role in the band... AND put on a good show... IMO
                      warrenpridgeon wrote: I personally have no issue with someone being a little "weaker" as a musician, as long as the passion is there
                      +1. I'd always rather have a player who needs to improve but wants to, than a good player who isn't interested.
                        After years of putting together bands of chancers and doing all the work myself, carrying and setting up all the equipment and working up quite a sweat.
                        I finally have a band with experienced musicians, with more knowledge and experience than I.
                        I find now I have to work even harder to stay with them, so I carry and set all the equipment and work up quite a sweat :?
                          First tell him about the band's unhappiness about his performance and attitude and that you will be forced to look elsewhere if he doesn't up his game. If he puts in the effort, great. If he doesn't, well, at least you gave him a chance before you fired him.
                          Most likely scenario imo is he will probably strip his moer at you guys for confronting him, call you a bunch of losers to save some face and quit on his own. ?
                            Bass players must know all songs played in all keys!Scales arpegios...
                            let him memorise the sequence, if he cant get that right for 1 song then replace him..

                            But I think his heart is not in it...
                            My first gig I could play any of the songs we did backwards.. and also had to make key changes on the spot... all about the love for the Music..
                              Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
                              warrenpridgeon wrote: I personally have no issue with someone being a little "weaker" as a musician, as long as the passion is there
                              +1. I'd always rather have a player who needs to improve but wants to, than a good player who isn't interested.
                              Sounds like this guy is neither (can't play and too lazy to learn). If he is a good mate keep him on as a roadie
                                D-tox wrote: Bass players must know all songs played in all keys!Scales arpegios...
                                let him memorise the sequence, if he cant get that right for 1 song then replace him..

                                But I think his heart is not in it...
                                My first gig I could play any of the songs we did backwards.. and also had to make key changes on the spot... all about the love for the Music..
                                There's also always the "bass guitarist panic scale" and the "if it sounds off go up a semi-tone"...lol
                                  Plet is small but even a vaguely useful bassist must be wandering around who can jump in to almost any number (even technical Metallica) and carry it off. Rather get someone to sit in until you get a permanent replacement, don't let your gig opportunities and momentum get sabotaged... if necessary get another guitarist to fill in on bass - if they have rhythm ?
                                    chris77 wrote: First tell him about the band's unhappiness about his performance and attitude and that you will be forced to look elsewhere if he doesn't up his game. If he puts in the effort, great. If he doesn't, well, at least you gave him a chance before you fired him.
                                    Most likely scenario imo is he will probably strip his moer at you guys for confronting him, call you a bunch of losers to save some face and quit on his own. ?
                                    I think you already know what to do... Chris' advice is good. Give him a week to buck up.
                                      Thank you for all the input. We're having a meeting on Friday to discuss with the drummer before making a decision. I really appreciate the help, some great advice here!
                                        This reminds me of my high school gigging days with other kids (which ended 2 years ago by the way). It was fun but also with a few horrible seasons, since some younger people don't know how to commit and are only in a band because well.. "Its cool". We even had the classic "vocalist and bassist dating, vocalist and bassist fights, bassists disappears before recording" thing. All worked out in the end though.

                                        Kick him, don't even give him a chance in my opinion, he is not changing overnight.