Klon Centaur direct from Bill Finnegan again… for $2,000

V8 · 2019-02-19T08:40:39+00:00

With its myriad clones, ‘gooped’ circuitboard and reams of forum posts in its honour, the Klon Centaur is surely the most mythical of effects pedals, and n...

Klon Centaur direct from Bill Finnegan again… for $2,000

V8

Yeti We've drifted a bit...

I do that. A lot. I usually blame the drummer for the drifting...heh, sneaky bassist ? (P.s. When on guitar, I blame the bassist!)

Good vid - thanks!

Yeti Copyrights are a weird place.

Very. Our former challenge mod was studying (and now qualified, I believe) musical copyright law - it's been a topic that comes up now n then when we do challenges that may use something copyrighted - though it seems 'fair use' has been interpreted in a greyish area than black n white as the internet continues to -errr - mature. I recall a time when tabs were seen as infringements.

I rather enjoyed "Everything is a Remix"- circa 2015, longish watch @ 37m - I reckon he arrives at similar same place as Adam does.

Yeti should not be heard by a jury but rather by a panel of experts

I whole-heartedly agree! First hearing was - nah, not much there. 2nd hearing...okay that bass line is DAMN similar. 3rd hearing, after learning a bit of "Get it on" - bass line is derivative, but it's a aping of the bass player's style's not the song's harmony - the style and R&B tone makes the bass lines sound quite similar - but are they?

A fine line between imitation, inspiration and emulation.

studmissile

That 'Blurred Lines' lawsuit redefined copyright law/. That copied a ‘vibe’ ?

V8

studmissile That 'Blurred Lines' lawsuit redefined copyright law/. That copied a ‘vibe’ ?

Yeti wow... I hadn't followed the blurred lines case at all... that's actually scary.

It's insane. Arguably, it was subjective decision not based on facts but perception. It's a kinda ruling that would only find traction in the US? I reckon a EU court would have laughed it out the court.

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"The attorney for Thicke, Williams and T.I. was spot-on during the trial's opening arguments when he said 'no one owns a genre or a style or a groove.' Although Thicke and Williams admitted prior to the lawsuit that their songwriting was influenced by Gaye, it's a sad day indeed when being influenced by an artist is considered copyright infringement. … There's also a good chance the jury was biased against the losing side because Thicke testified that he had been drunk and high while recording 'Blurred Lines.' This is not the basis for a decision on copyright infringement. And if any of the jurors think Thicke is the first pop star to record a hit song while under the influence, they must have been raised under a rock."

Yeti

wow... I hadn't followed the blurred lines case at all... that's actually scary.

So copyright is obviously important. You want the creator to be protected and to be properly remunerated for their work and creation... but used like this? That's just stifling creativity. The idea of fair use is there to prevent this of course but that is massively subjective.
Same is true with the way copyright is applied on YouTube... another Adam Neely video on the subject.

I'm hardly a legal expert but the thing that I can't quite get my head around is the idea that these 'infringing' songs are in any way damaging the originals (and here I'm very definitely referring to these cases). In order for that to be the case Got to Give It Up would have had to have lost sales or plays because people chose to listen to Blurred Lines instead... and I really really doubt that. In fact, if anything I'd expect that the similarities might have driven new audiences to listen to Marvin Gay for the first time.

V8

Geek alert...that pedal shows guys do klon & klones. Dan really knows just how to tweak them to get the pedals a/b'ed - impressed. Spoiler alert - They all sound good ?

Yeti

V8 awesome, I'll check it out tomorrow. I know andertons did one a while ago... Can't remember the results but I know the tumnus did well.

V8

What do various 'transparent' OD's actually do to your eq? A bit techy, with some breadboarding and schematics - but good explanations - accessible to the layperson. From about 12m30s he talks Bluesbreaker (Morning Glory) vs Klon (Tumnus) circuits and what they do to eq w/graphs - interesting!

Yeti

V8 just had a chance to watch this. It does explain why you had so much tricks finding a transparent od that works with both guitar and bass.

V8

Yeti Pretty much explains it! He's also got a video on using a EQ pedal as a clean boost - which is the obvious answer - so obvious I didn't think of it. Dial in a 3db volume bump with a little 1k spike and you've got a clean klon.

Or so I think?

I rekon, There's a little bit of magic adding drive to a signal chain - a hint of compression and a touch of dirt goers a long way. We'll see, when I get some pedals to a/b against.

Yeti

V8 That might be a bit of an oversimplification but I think it'll take you some of the way. The nice thing about doing it through the EQ pedal is that you can then dial in exactly what suits your rig rather than accept something tuned elsewhere... the downside is that you have to dial in exactly what suits your rig and can't rely on something tuned elsewhere. ?

Yeti

Little bit of thread necromancy but I just bumped into this and thought about your dilemma @V8

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Yeti Do these two ever make a short video? ?

Thanks, I really enjoyed that! That King of Tone is pretty much what I'd want for a strat, was great on everything. Amusingly, I thought the blues driver was surprisingly good for a strat (rubbish on the lp though) - I'll suspect a bass will get some cracklyness out of it like the lp, I reckon it no like hot pickups at all.

When they was talking compression, and transients, that what I eventually concluded too - I'd want a touch of comp with fast transients (pick attack for guitar, slap attack for bass).

Couldn't agree more with them - you gotta a/b everything - and do so in a separate loop, which was how I was doing it too. From the vid, I think it IS rare to find something that works all round. Gonna have to re-re-test that voodoo labs sparkle drive to check my ears, don't see a King of Tone ever in my future, but there's a Tone City clone...

Yeti

V8 Haha, you're not wrong. They always have fantastic topics... but who has time to watch an hour youtube video?

I'm definitely going to check out that tone king circuit diagram... might just end up being my next pedal build.

V8

Yeti but who has time to watch an hour youtube video?

...erm...me? Batchelor life does have advantages! Thought the attention span isn't always there, but this one was a goodie and Dan knows his pedals and how to tweak them, which is really useful. The other guy annoys me a little, but he's got a great touch on the strat, so I put up with him ?

Yeti might just end up being my next pedal build.

That would be great - keen to hear how it stacks up against your klon build. ?