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  • Bedroom Guitarist : Multifx vs Amp+Pedals (Part I)

RodneyVikens t. The only thing I can never get used to is pedal distortion or overdrive simulators on multi fx boards or pedals. The same way you use auto tune on voices and can clearly hear it, there is just something in an amp simulators that has that sound that irritates me.

One thing I've learnt about multifx's - generally, cab sims sucked. Not as much as auto-tune, but it's darn close. I've underestimated just how much a speaker does for guitar tone, particularly for overdrive/distortion tones. Not that a decent cab sim solves ALL issues - but it really helps the 'real feel'.

Now we can play with custom IR's, which is much, much better - though one still has to find a decent IR (not all are equal or good).

Mostly I'd want plug n play usability (which I feel the Katana has) - because I want to play not program ? But still, one has to be familiar with how guitar is gain staged, where boosting the signal has the effect you are looking for, how a 1x10, 2x12, 4x12 colour the sound and more... before you'll get the most of out any multifx (I think this also applies to pedals).

Imho, that understanding can be hard earnt...(though in hindsight, it all seems common sense and I was an idiot who read the manual but didn't understand it!)

    RodneyVikens This guy:

    The Thumb! Previous band guitarists worshipped Tobin Abasi - he's a beast. Not that I think it's all that listenable...I do dig many of the grooves but the prog side of things gets a bit weird for me.

    But getting that super low, yet distinct grind tone that works for both rhythm and leads...yeah, he's probably spent as much time dialing in his rig as he has getting his hands to work like that. Our 2 guitarists had two approaches, one ran a pedalboard into a beastly laney 2x12 and let the amp do most of the work with a light eq and boost pedal setup.

    The other had a Peavey 6150+ and 4x12 with pedalboard which never quite worked for me...either muddy rhythms or overly shrill leads.

    Eventually, he worked out how to get a Boss GT-10 to play nicely with his amp in a 'four cable method' - that worked for what he was doing. Not sure if how he setup his patches on the GT-10 or where most of his gain was coming from - just glad my ears didn't bleed as much during rehearsals (live was another story though).

      Rabea you legend.

      The other thing, and I think it is mentioned above, is also the guitar/pickups you use. The Friedman Vintage with that Marshall cab has a really nice bright tone which I think helps a lot.

      While listening to the Gibsons in this video (maybe find a better one?) it really sound crappy to me.

      Can also be the settings?

      But even this one I don't like the way Gibson sounds:

      Dont know how much of it is the gibsons fault as it would be the tune and tone dialled in. As a general rule whether its a gibson or tokai LP i need to boost the treble otherwise its muddy as hell. 
      I do have BK pups in mine though that are voiced with a higher treble freq to balance out the guitar. The LP tends to be quite dark sounding. Well... from my examples anyways.

      V8 yeh. Of im honest. There was nothing wrong with the multifx. I just didnt have the patience and know how to dial it in. I found it a difficult bit of kit to learn and use

          Personally, I'd rather do pedalboard and real tube amp (either with a cab in a live setting or with a loadbox and IR loader like my Mooer Radar and IR in my 'bedroom' context) but for me, that's mostly cause I don't really use many effects really.

          If I was to use a multifx device of some form, it'd be with the Line 6 Helix (or one of the 'mini' versions). It's epic what sounds you can get out of it and it's in a much nicer form factor and more 'usable' than a Kemper for me.

          I just find it really easy to hear when a digital high gain sound is used (digital sounding high end - in Youtube blind tests I can always pick out the real amp between a Kemper, Helix etc.) and much prefer a real tube amp.

          I do love the look of the Synergy modular amps though - great sounding and interchangeable preamp modules (to my ears, the preamp makes the biggest difference to tone where the power section adds a little extra colour):

          For a cheaper option, I would look into the Mooer Preamp pedals, run them into the effects return on my JCM 900 and be able to have different sounding amps on the fly for variety.

          My current setup that suits me fine is Guit - Tubescreamer - JCM900 - Mooer Radar with and IR and some EQing - Interface (I have a delay pedal for when I need it, an NS2 noise gate and a Zoom 505ii (lol) for other effects like Chorus when I want to play clean sections)

          Other than that, I have high gain bridge pickups that I use 99% of the time and I only ever use neck pickups when I play clean.

          ScottyDogg quick question re GGD and kontakt. I downloaded the kontakt player. Also tried a few of the vsts through the player before splashing out dosh on the drum libraries. Everything is opening in demo mode. The web says its because these vsts are designed for the full kontakt which needs to be paid for.

          Do you have this issue? Are you using player or full kontakt?


            guidothepimmp I’m using Kontakt Player (the free one) and what you’ve read is correct with some libraries requiring the full Kontakt to run.

            So some libraries have a licensing agreement with Native Instruments that allows them to be run in Kontakt Player with no limitation (eg the Getgood Drums stuff) but I think that’s where the makers of the libraries pay licensing for this to work and hence you probably won’t get free libraries that can run in player)

            What you could always do is play around with the software to get your sounds right and then render down into multi tracks and not get hit with the demo issue (but then you’re pretty much having to commit to sounds early)

            I’ll organize a gear pic or two later ?

            Edit: I know this pic is a bit rubbish but this is pretty much my setup. I have a random piece of furniture (pictured) with baskets as drawers. There just happens to be space to run cables through to the drawers.

            So from right to left; Ibanez TS7 (in TS9 mode as a boost), to NS2 (apparently Adam D from Killswitch uses his tubescreamer in the effects loop of the NS2 so I think I’ll try that - sucks too much tone if I do the 4 cable method with my amp), to zoom 505ii (pretty much always on bypass for tuning but occasionally I might use chorus on it), back up to JCM 900 input, speaker output to the JP Le Roux DeadEnd (load box so I don’t have to have a cabinet connected to my tube head), to Mooer Radar (with Ownhammer IR), to Focusrite Scarlett 2i2.

              ScottyDogg This guy is onto something here with this:

              For a portable rig, it’s hard to beat

                  Thanks for the pic Scotty. Always nice to see other setups.
                  That is a nice little setup. Was wondering about the zoom ?

                  Curiously the KSE boys have some of my favourite tones. Even my 6yr old likes it ?

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