Challenge: The Pointy vs Paddle headstock Duel!
The previous duel went off well, but you made voting difficult.
Players' skill, well, tie.
Guitar sound: The paddle does sound better on the neck pickup. Does get rather "stratty"...
Tone Winner would be the pointy one.
Pointy player did put in most "feel", and could really work this into a slow blues masterpiece if continued.
Well done!
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V8 Peace Sells (but who's buying?).
Nice.
Good luck to you both. May the man with the pointy headstock win. ;P
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modulator Players' skill, well, tie.
I must be honest I thought similarly, and ultimately voted for the "correct" headstock.
(Just to qualify, by "correct" I mean pointy, obviously.)
modulator Pointy player did put in most "feel", and could really work this into a slow blues masterpiece if continued.
Much appreciated! Funny you should mention that, yesterday morning my wife caught me on video, working on translating Scuttle Buttin' into a more fingerpicked style:
Hoping to add a bit of a jazzy rhythm to it and maybe a few embellishments between the main riffs.
ChrisDanger I must be honest I thought similarly
Much obliged ?
V8 Sweettt, 1x JazzIII plectrum flicked and the song is...
Peace Sells (but who's buying?).
Awesome! Very glad it's not the triplets madness of Slayer!
For those keen to follow along with us as we try and learn Megadeth's "Peace Sells" ? clickety, click.
NorioDS working on translating Scuttle Buttin' into a more fingerpicked style:
Niccceee....glad to see I wasn't the only one resorting to a paddle headstock... ?
I also did a version last week, went with fingernail as a pick - was trying for a turn of speed. Thought it might be a bit easier with the fatter nylon strings. I think i r starting to get the feel of the lick - I think!
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Time to fess up... I've been trying to get one of the really fast (but quite simple) lead parts down. I can only get it sounding right about 1 time out of 20... ?
Still, it was good practice.
After a couple tries, in the end I decided to just stick to the rhythm parts with one (tiny and slow) lead part. Funny thing is, I was playing it perfectly until I decided to do my "final" recording. Then I screwed it up royally. But it's time to end this so I can get to work, so I didn't re-record. Here it is, folks. Warts & all. You'll just have to deal with it ?
The recording was done DI'ed into my BR-600. Recorded the video on the missus' G5X camera in the hopes that I wouldn't get the out-of-sync issue I had with my phone. I then pulled the video and the BR-600 tracks into Screenflow and sync'ed them up. I lowered the volume on the camera track so you don't here AS MUCH of the strings. But I figured it was more fun if I left in the laugh when I'm screwing up the (stupid-easy) solo.
On the BR-600, I used the "Metal Lead" patch. I would have preferred to have used my amp but the last time I did that, the sound I recorded and the sound I heard while playing were VERY different. So I kept it a bit simpler this time by just DI-ing into the BR.
Nice one @NorioDS ?
Here's mine, not entirely happy but it'll do - best of about 6 attempts, only swore once! ?
Tried to make a condensed version of the original that was fun to play. Put together a backing track in ableton - just drums in the140bpm section. The 160bpm section has a harmony guitar for the one riff.
That change between 140 & 160 bpm is (&(ing tough! Either I can get to 140 section OR the 160 section but not both in one take. Grrrrr.
Upside to this challenge is that I am starting to feel comfy at 160bpm - hit your head enough times I guess one does eventually learn something ?
V8 That change between 140 & 160 bpm is (&(ing tough! Either I can get to 140 section OR the 160 section but not both in one take. Grrrrr.
Totally feel you there, brother! I found myself practising the 160bpm part so much that I ended up speeding up the rest of the song. Had to train myself to slow down for the 140bpm bits on the day of recording ?
V8 Upside to this challenge is that I am starting to feel comfy at 160bpm
Same! This morning I cranked up the tempo on my jam track and didn't feel TOTALLY lost. Still a bit lost though ?
The other major benefit for me has been a stronger focus on rhythm. That also came with playing some bass but learning a song (without the album track playing underneath it) really forces you to "feel" the groove more.
Fun times! Okie dokes, I suppose it's time to put up a voting thread!
Voting is open!
Go here ? https://community.guitartalk.co.za/d/26717-pointy-vs-paddle-phase-2-vote
Another takeaway on what this challenge taught me:
Recording helps you focus. I get distracted all the time and it doesn't matter when I'm just messing around. But if I'm recording and I get distracted... well that's another take down the drain ?
So yeah, very good way to "train" yourself to focus on what you're doing.
Amazing, both. The voting buttons will (again) not reflect all the truths, my additional opinion:
Player - Paddle
Sound- Pointy
Gold star for effort - Both
Well done. I should really get off my donkey and start to play something too.
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Aggeneeeeee! Looks like I lost this one by a landslide!
Great duel @V8. Remind me not to do this against you ever again ? Or to pick "Mary Had a Little Lamb" but then you'd probably pull out the SRV version and still kick my ass ?
Suppose it's time for me to admit that paddles are the best, huh? Ugh. Watch this space ?
NorioDS Or to pick "Mary Had a Little Lamb" but then you'd probably pull out the SRV version and still kick my ass
Actuallllyyy....that was my secret to Part 1. I do know that version (albeit the slower Buddy Guy version) fairly well. The chords are pretty much the same with a slightly different feel with the Scuttle Buttin lick. But what I made damn sure of, was that the rhythm section could carry itself, even if I messed up the lick.
So I could 'hide' the fact that I was playing 16th notes instead of a triplet for the opening of the lick - it's why I felt your feel was more authentic. But for the listener it's easier to hear a rhythm piece that makes sense than something that doesn't quite loop tidily.
It's gonna take me a while to get a triplet note feel into that lick - specific practice required!
I didn't have much issue with Peace Sells, it's what I used to be okay at back in the 90's. I think I managed to do a fairly decent representation of the style...what kicked my ass was going from 140 bpm to 160 - and back again as I looped the recording 3-4 times - silly to try that. I would have been better off just doing one take each time. Basically take a break and hit it again rather than try to get the 140->160->140->160 (repeat) changes feeling right. That was tough and rather unnecessary!
NorioDS Suppose it's time for me to admit that paddles are the best, huh? Ugh. Watch this space ?
Only if you really want to. For me, you put a lot of effort in - for that alone, I tip my hat and say that you need not feel (or subject yourself) to any shame. I'll never crit anyone who put's in the time & effort!
...and besides I'm now seriously lusting after something shreddy. Ideally a shorter scale (24.75), flatter fretboard radius (12-16) and lots of pointy bits. See what you've done....?