more twists and turns in this saga than Game of Thrones ....
MH 370
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Now it seems even the debris has gone missing...
19 days later
It's hardly surprising.
They're doing the equivalent of trying find a 10c coin hidden on an area roughly the size three rugby fields while walking non-stop. And that's just for floating debris.
Technology can only do so much.
They're doing the equivalent of trying find a 10c coin hidden on an area roughly the size three rugby fields while walking non-stop. And that's just for floating debris.
Technology can only do so much.
They're never gonna find this plane ....... simply because ..........
It does'nt wanna be found !! ???
It does'nt wanna be found !! ???
Almost agree - somebody with enough clout doesn't want it to be found. And no, haven't worn my tin foil for many years, but maybe time to start ?Aubs1 wrote: They're never gonna find this plane ....... simply because ..........
It does'nt wanna be found !! ???
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I think it's more that they're looking for a small needle in a very big haystack.6x9base13 wrote:Almost agree - somebody with enough clout doesn't want it to be found. And no, haven't worn my tin foil for many years, but maybe time to start ?Aubs1 wrote: They're never gonna find this plane ....... simply because ..........
It does'nt wanna be found !! ???
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See this: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/mh370-australia-very-confident-pings-are-from-black-box-says-prime-minister
Note that the search area has "been narrowed down to two areas together measuring around 46,700 square kilometres, roughly 2,300km north-west of Perth." Narrowed to 46, 700 square Ks. And then the wreckage could be Kms down on the ocean floor.
I heard that by the time Gerrie Nel is done Oscar will take responsibility for, among other things, Nkandla and the dissappearance of MH370! :-[
Needle indeed.
Google for wreckage images from any of a number of crashes into the ocean (Swissair Flight 111, the Helderberg, Air France Flight 447) and you'll get a graphic idea of what they're searching for.
As for finding an object that deep? Robert Ballard (the oceanographer whose team found the Titanic and many other wrecks) wasn't able to find any of the four Japanese aircraft carriers sunk in the Battle of Midway. Consider that the area of the battle and approximate sinking positions are known, ships make big sonar targets, and the smallest of the four was roughly 220m long and weighed over 16000 tons.
Whether they find anything from MH 370 or not will probably depend on a mix of sheer determination, a lot of funding, and a chunk of luck.
Google for wreckage images from any of a number of crashes into the ocean (Swissair Flight 111, the Helderberg, Air France Flight 447) and you'll get a graphic idea of what they're searching for.
As for finding an object that deep? Robert Ballard (the oceanographer whose team found the Titanic and many other wrecks) wasn't able to find any of the four Japanese aircraft carriers sunk in the Battle of Midway. Consider that the area of the battle and approximate sinking positions are known, ships make big sonar targets, and the smallest of the four was roughly 220m long and weighed over 16000 tons.
Whether they find anything from MH 370 or not will probably depend on a mix of sheer determination, a lot of funding, and a chunk of luck.
Still can't believe that a plane was 'lost' at this day and age. Very unique set of circumstances....
I'm curious as hell as to what happened..
I'm curious as hell as to what happened..
Exactly my reason for saying it does'nt wanna be found. How deep the Indian ocean is off Australia. The plane turned and flew south. It flew as low as 1500-5000 feet/meters??? They hear the pings! They can't confirm the pings! Ah, we heard the pings here, then we heard the pings there ..... blah, blah, blah...The Aussie PM says it's definite. The Aussie leader of the search op says: "We cannot confirm"Nitebob wrote: Still can't believe that a plane was 'lost' at this day and age. Very unique set of circumstances....
I'm curious as hell as to what happened..
CNN Breaking News: ..... "We have not heard anything new since the last pings on Tuesday..... " , but it's breaking news!! The worst Breaking News ever ..... Nothing new !!!
Ah, France's AF 447 took 2 years to find .... they knew where it went down. And the same goes for the Helderberg .... etc, etc.
The bottom line with MH370: Nobody knows where the hell the plane is. Period.
Ah, maybe somebody does, but they're not telling ? ?
The whole world is not covered by radar and mostly those systems only operate at a certain range of altitude. Sneaking under the radar is an old ploy, but unusual for a commercial flight. The systems they do have in place seem to have a lot of reliance on signals from the plane that identify the plane. Those were switched off at about the time the plane left Malaysian airspace. There are mysteries about motive, but there are plausible explanations as to why it couldn't be tracked. The mystery is WHY the pilots took the plane on that route. No extremist groups have claimed responsibility. I guess the mind abhors a vacuum.Nitebob wrote: Still can't believe that a plane was 'lost' at this day and age. Very unique set of circumstances....
I'm curious as hell as to what happened..
It's a theory, but a complex one.
It would require the use - within the corridor designated - of a runway capable of landing a modern airliner (in other words not a dirt runway hacked out of the jungle), and then providing refuelling and technical support to prep it for the supposed suicide mission halfway around the world from that location. Building a runway would require a lot of construction equipment and material, so you'd need the support of the local populace because people love to talk.
You'd also need to then imprison (feed and guard) or execute 239 people. Most of whom aren't from softy liberal Western countries who negotiate, but from China. The same China that's starting to flex its muscles on the international scene.
So you'd need the support of a state. Pakistan, Iran or Afghanistan? The first two have far too much to lose by upsetting the Chinese. Sneaking a stolen airliner into that part of the world? Unlikely, considering the amount of surveillance the US and others have there. The Chechens perhaps, going for a grand gesture against Russia? Given recent events in the Ukraine, Uncle Vlad's not likely to respond with kid gloves and talks. So maybe the Uighurs then, but it still leaves the matter of hiding and maintaining an airliner along with 239 passengers, with the international community looking for them.
The problem with the 9-11 in Brazil-type scenario is that it's easier and quieter to acquire an older 737 in South America or Africa, refit it as a Q ship and pull the same stunt.
Perhaps they simply had a major on-board emergency (like Swissair 111 or the Helderberg's fire), lost all instrumentation and communications, and lost their direction in the dark while maneouvring to recovering the aircraft - heading straight out into the Indian ocean instead of up towards land in Asia.
But then again, that doesn't sound as exciting as an Ian Fleming novel or "We know Iraq has WMDs" story.
It would require the use - within the corridor designated - of a runway capable of landing a modern airliner (in other words not a dirt runway hacked out of the jungle), and then providing refuelling and technical support to prep it for the supposed suicide mission halfway around the world from that location. Building a runway would require a lot of construction equipment and material, so you'd need the support of the local populace because people love to talk.
You'd also need to then imprison (feed and guard) or execute 239 people. Most of whom aren't from softy liberal Western countries who negotiate, but from China. The same China that's starting to flex its muscles on the international scene.
So you'd need the support of a state. Pakistan, Iran or Afghanistan? The first two have far too much to lose by upsetting the Chinese. Sneaking a stolen airliner into that part of the world? Unlikely, considering the amount of surveillance the US and others have there. The Chechens perhaps, going for a grand gesture against Russia? Given recent events in the Ukraine, Uncle Vlad's not likely to respond with kid gloves and talks. So maybe the Uighurs then, but it still leaves the matter of hiding and maintaining an airliner along with 239 passengers, with the international community looking for them.
The problem with the 9-11 in Brazil-type scenario is that it's easier and quieter to acquire an older 737 in South America or Africa, refit it as a Q ship and pull the same stunt.
Perhaps they simply had a major on-board emergency (like Swissair 111 or the Helderberg's fire), lost all instrumentation and communications, and lost their direction in the dark while maneouvring to recovering the aircraft - heading straight out into the Indian ocean instead of up towards land in Asia.
But then again, that doesn't sound as exciting as an Ian Fleming novel or "We know Iraq has WMDs" story.
4 days later
Discovery has a program on at 20h00 on Sunday, should be interesting...
this page has up to the minute updates on the missing plane
http://www.havetheyfoundthatplane.com/
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http://www.havetheyfoundthatplane.com/
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I like that ?Tailon. wrote: this page has up to the minute updates on the missing plane
http://www.havetheyfoundthatplane.com/
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Apparently they've found the wreckage now and just need photographic evidence.
It just HAS to be found...
A lot of families need closure and if they are to prevent it happening again, you need to know what happened...
A lot of families need closure and if they are to prevent it happening again, you need to know what happened...
