Ja heck!! Everyone got a bit scared there for a minute - you know a potential marine getting the moerin and all.Daniel Stuart wrote:Thanks man sorry I had a rant. I already have a sponsor and my passport I am waiting on 3 weeks. I phoned them and Its on the move. This is what I think I will be good at.Tokai SA wrote:Well, if you've made your mind up then go for it with all your passion and you'll succeed...don't procrastinate, do it today.Daniel Stuart wrote: Look now I am getting annoyed. It wasn't the spur of the moment thing. I have been thinking about it for a long time now. I know plenty about the war and about a soldiers life in the middle east. I know there is a chance I might die but there is always a chance especially in this country you might die even more of a horrible death.
I wasn't stoned when I decided to do this. I am battling to get another job here. I don't want to work my ass off and never see whats out there.
I had my friends sister beg me not to go. I've had friends beg me. I know its not a game. I know its shit. I might end up shooting a kid and have to live with that. I might have my friends die in front of me. I could be lying in the dirt bleeding to death. But I have the warriors spirit. An office job scares the crap out of me. A job where you get up everyday drive to work doesn't appeal to me. It depresses me. I don't fit in with the civi world. I might just excel at this. Might open a lot of doors for me.
I spoke to an ex us marine tonight. He said if it wasn't for the army he would have nothing. and that hit close to home. Jobs are hard to get in this economy. And I will be earning a lot per year. More than I would at a normal job.
I thought about it extensively. I made up my mind. War is shit I know. But this is something I really want to do. Hardest choice in my life to make.
And thats all I am going to say now.
On a side note. Discovery doesn't show you the true horror of war. I have seen the true face of war and the stuff you see on tv is very censored. You can see real footage on youtube. Go look for syrian vids.
All the best.
Joining the royal marines soon
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Actually not.Ja heck!! Everyone got a bit scared there for a minute - you know a potential marine getting the moerin and all.
You say you've thought about it... Judging by your comments you were trivializing death, and giving as little meaning to someone else's life as your own, which you said you are content to give up.
And now you're annoyed... oh dear. You're using situations that you have the privilege not to be part of to justify your ambitions. If you had an inkling of the good you can do, you'd realize how much damage you have the potential to do.
I know you will in no way take anything I say to heart. That's your choice and why we are two different people.
Daniel,
My friend you seem to have quite a glamorous and romantic opinion of what you are about to set off and do. If you had ever been shot at, trying to find somewhere to get away from the ricochets and lumps of rock and wood that are tearing you to pieces, never mind risking taking a direct hit, wondering what the bloody hell you are doing there, you wouldn't view it in the same way.
Respectfully, your attitude seems a little bit immature. The selection course will soon give you a reality check.
Think twice - as my Coloured friends in Zim used to say "It's not our war ek sé". Rather play guitar!! It's much better for the heart and soul.
Edit: 20-30 years of waking up at night screaming and scaring the living daylights out of your loved ones should also be considered.
My friend you seem to have quite a glamorous and romantic opinion of what you are about to set off and do. If you had ever been shot at, trying to find somewhere to get away from the ricochets and lumps of rock and wood that are tearing you to pieces, never mind risking taking a direct hit, wondering what the bloody hell you are doing there, you wouldn't view it in the same way.
Respectfully, your attitude seems a little bit immature. The selection course will soon give you a reality check.
Think twice - as my Coloured friends in Zim used to say "It's not our war ek sé". Rather play guitar!! It's much better for the heart and soul.
Edit: 20-30 years of waking up at night screaming and scaring the living daylights out of your loved ones should also be considered.
Yeah, joining the army will sort that out. Imo, its a win win situation for Daniel.Chabenda wrote: Respectfully, your attitude seems a little bit immature.
question? you think that this is the best option seeing that you've just come off the herb?
Maybe be clean for a while and then think it over. There are other (better) ways to get direction in life than joining the army.
Maybe be clean for a while and then think it over. There are other (better) ways to get direction in life than joining the army.
How can you deter a man who's seen death and war .......... on youtube?
Are you sure you're off the herb Daniel?
Are you sure you're off the herb Daniel?
In my opinion, this sounds like a really good solution for you. It might be just what you need (Although I'm not sure if it'd be beneficial to spend a long time doing that).
However, FFF is right. That stuff has an effect on you for a few weeks after you've laid off, especially if you've been smoking lots and most likely not a particularly healthy strain.
However I say go ahead with it for now. You still have a few weeks for the reality of things to hit you. You can say what you want, but it's clear that you don't realise exactly what's ahead of you. You've idealised and romanticised the situation (This isn't personal, we all do it). If you're in a situation that you can make a potentially life/death decision so flippantly, you're going down the wrong avenue.
However, FFF is right. That stuff has an effect on you for a few weeks after you've laid off, especially if you've been smoking lots and most likely not a particularly healthy strain.
However I say go ahead with it for now. You still have a few weeks for the reality of things to hit you. You can say what you want, but it's clear that you don't realise exactly what's ahead of you. You've idealised and romanticised the situation (This isn't personal, we all do it). If you're in a situation that you can make a potentially life/death decision so flippantly, you're going down the wrong avenue.
Also interesting.....Wizard wrote: Some trivia:
- the vast majority of people in the military never use a weapon in anger
- in South Africa, National Service and the border war caused death rates among men to go down. The army was removing them from the main cause of death of young men - car accidents
Harry, known as Captain Wales in the Army, said: 'For every life taken, which is about 450 in Afghanistan, about 4,000 are injured and that's what we don't hear about
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333681/Prince-Harry-urges-Britain-forget-injured-troops-return-Afghanistan.html#ixzz2ciD0yF9A
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http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/27/news/economy/veterans-disability/index.htm
Just to clarify, I'm a complete anti-violence person whose greatest fear in the army was that I would be put into a position where I would have to aim a weapon at another person.
This was a far greater source of stress than the idea of being shot at myself.
I really, really love shooting though - just not at anything that's alive.
Was just trying to bring a bit of balance to the discussion with some facts.
I do agree with the death / injury ratio.
Also of interest is the number of injuries and deaths that are not related to the enemy.
Nothing as dangerous as bored troops with nothing to do ... and lots of dangerous weapons and vehicles to play with.
This was a far greater source of stress than the idea of being shot at myself.
I really, really love shooting though - just not at anything that's alive.
Was just trying to bring a bit of balance to the discussion with some facts.
I do agree with the death / injury ratio.
Also of interest is the number of injuries and deaths that are not related to the enemy.
Nothing as dangerous as bored troops with nothing to do ... and lots of dangerous weapons and vehicles to play with.
Your life needs direction? Your life will be in the hands of people who will point you in the wriong direction..
You're better off with a good bankie and some Battlefield / COD, thats what those games are for - taking war out of reality and into a virtual world. I don't know how anyone who watches vids of the Syrian war can think its romantic!
There's got to be something else you can do...
You're better off with a good bankie and some Battlefield / COD, thats what those games are for - taking war out of reality and into a virtual world. I don't know how anyone who watches vids of the Syrian war can think its romantic!
There's got to be something else you can do...
I don't think its romantic. Some people are meant to join the army. I have it in my blood.Julian Emdon (LooneyAtTheGate) wrote: Your life needs direction? Your life will be in the hands of people who will point you in the wriong direction..
You're better off with a good bankie and some Battlefield / COD, thats what those games are for - taking war out of reality and into a virtual world. I don't know how anyone who watches vids of the Syrian war can think its romantic!
There's got to be something else you can do...
That's not what a blood test would reveal ?Daniel Stuart wrote:I don't think its romantic. Some people are meant to join the army. I have it in my blood.Julian Emdon (LooneyAtTheGate) wrote: Your life needs direction? Your life will be in the hands of people who will point you in the wriong direction..
You're better off with a good bankie and some Battlefield / COD, thats what those games are for - taking war out of reality and into a virtual world. I don't know how anyone who watches vids of the Syrian war can think its romantic!
There's got to be something else you can do...
Eish....I surrender
No but the americans will say they found weapons of mass destruction in my blood ?Chabenda wrote:That's not what a blood test would reveal ?Daniel Stuart wrote:I don't think its romantic. Some people are meant to join the army. I have it in my blood.Julian Emdon (LooneyAtTheGate) wrote: Your life needs direction? Your life will be in the hands of people who will point you in the wriong direction..
You're better off with a good bankie and some Battlefield / COD, thats what those games are for - taking war out of reality and into a virtual world. I don't know how anyone who watches vids of the Syrian war can think its romantic!
There's got to be something else you can do...
Eish....I surrender
EditedDaniel Stuart wrote:No but the americans will say they found weapons of mass destruction in my blood ?Chabenda wrote:That's not what a blood test would reveal ?Daniel Stuart wrote:I don't think its romantic. Some people are meant to join the army. I have it in my blood.Julian Emdon (LooneyAtTheGate) wrote: Your life needs direction? Your life will be in the hands of people who will point you in the wriong direction..
You're better off with a good bankie and some Battlefield / COD, thats what those games are for - taking war out of reality and into a virtual world. I don't know how anyone who watches vids of the Syrian war can think its romantic!
There's got to be something else you can do...
Eish....I surrender
It is yr choice in the end Daniel. I suspect a different tune will be sung after seeing the first corpse at your feet due to your bullet. Might even be a little boy with a loaf of bread... or maybe a bunnychow. Might be a little girl with a tutu... might be a full grown man with a bayonet collection. Might be an old lady you suspect picking up a detonator when it might just have been her dentures. Or you suspect an old grumpy fart kneeling down as if to do something other than fart, you shoot him out of fear... move closer to investigate and find a little blue pill by his fingertips.
But you'll have to pull that trigger regardless because its your orders (and that is my fear of this whole mess anyway) or maybe I've watched Platoon and Deliverance way too many times (Squeal for me, piggy. Wheeeeee!!).
But you're determined to follow through... 200k a year... 350k a year in psych fees a possibility... sounds about even to me. Unless you manage to drown in basic training. But its in your blood... good luck to you.
*edit*: not to mention Southern Comfort... one movie I've never forgotten. But then again, these are all movies and aren't real at all. The concept frightens the shit outta me though...
But you'll have to pull that trigger regardless because its your orders (and that is my fear of this whole mess anyway) or maybe I've watched Platoon and Deliverance way too many times (Squeal for me, piggy. Wheeeeee!!).
But you're determined to follow through... 200k a year... 350k a year in psych fees a possibility... sounds about even to me. Unless you manage to drown in basic training. But its in your blood... good luck to you.
*edit*: not to mention Southern Comfort... one movie I've never forgotten. But then again, these are all movies and aren't real at all. The concept frightens the shit outta me though...
I'm tired of arguing with people about this. Its easy for you people to criticize my choice. I have nothing in this country. I don't have a job. I don't have a family to support. This is my choice and that is final. I might just end up being a band guy in the navy or a chef. I haven't gotten into the rmc yet. So don't know why you people are up in arms. I thank you guys for caring about me.
And I have been treating like shit all my life by people. Even sometimes by the people I thought cared about me.
And I have been treating like shit all my life by people. Even sometimes by the people I thought cared about me.
Not me... don't own any weapons.... yet.Daniel Stuart wrote: I'm tired of arguing with people about this. Its easy for you people to criticize my choice. I have nothing in this country. I don't have a job. I don't have a family to support. This is my choice and that is final. I might just end up being a band guy in the navy or a chef. I haven't gotten into the rmc yet. So don't know why you people are up in arms. I thank you guys for caring about me.
This is my choice and that is final: Yes Sir. My apologies sir. Tickle yr scrotum sir?
I'm tired of arguing with people about this: No argument. Just possibilities. Will probably never happen. Might be worse though... you might have to defend the French or something.... they're quite good at submission though so it may only be a detour.
And I have been treating like shit all my life by people. Even sometimes by the people I thought cared about me.:
Yes, that sux. I'm sorry you were the only one in the world this happened to. The better hick mentality is to get a gun and you're sorted. Just kidding... no I'm not. Just kidding... no I'm not.
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Really?! Guitarforum?
Hope you are a moer of a tough guy. I have a good friend serving in afghanistan, exactly where you'll probably end up.
You think life is tough sitting here in SA smoking some pot, playing 5 string guitars, getting picked on?
I can see you think its pretty cool, and hardcore to fight in a war, here is a surprise; its not...
All I can say is good luck, you in for one hell of a trip.
Mentally, physically and emotionally.
Take a big spoon of cement before you go ?
Hope you are a moer of a tough guy. I have a good friend serving in afghanistan, exactly where you'll probably end up.
You think life is tough sitting here in SA smoking some pot, playing 5 string guitars, getting picked on?
I can see you think its pretty cool, and hardcore to fight in a war, here is a surprise; its not...
All I can say is good luck, you in for one hell of a trip.
Mentally, physically and emotionally.
Take a big spoon of cement before you go ?
Daniel I've got nothing against you going to the military, I think that structure would be good for you and give you direction, our concern for you (and I'm sure I speak for many GFSA members) is a very complicated and nasty war. If you can work yourself into the band or a chef, then Godspeed my friend, it's your life and you should do what you need to do.Daniel Stuart wrote: I'm tired of arguing with people about this. Its easy for you people to criticize my choice. I have nothing in this country. I don't have a job. I don't have a family to support. This is my choice and that is final. I might just end up being a band guy in the navy or a chef. I haven't gotten into the rmc yet. So don't know why you people are up in arms. I thank you guys for caring about me.
And I have been treating like shit all my life by people. Even sometimes by the people I thought cared about me.
P.S.If you can read music, even at a basic level (so start learning if you don't), that would help get you into a military band.
Joining an army is not a problem. But what I think is that whatever people will tell you, armies are there to either defend or promote ideology. Religious or political. And wealth is included as an ideology because it is the most powerful religion in the world. So the thing is that you should do is to inspect the ideology that you will be defending or promoting. And if after inspection, you think that you dig it, then you can go and shoot the opponents of the ideology. That's fine because that's the human way. But do it before you go because within a week or two of arriving at your training you will "know" that what you are doing is most definitely very important for freedom and peace and all. And dont let people here tell you what is right or what is wrong because you find a lot of wannabee hippies and ducktails playing guitars and they are just too clever.
And all this talk here that you must be careful of the zol and get away from it quick is just the same as all this romantic talk about how you are going to be so fucked up in the army and need to see therapists and all. There may just be times when making a skyf will level you out a lot more than going to talk to a textbook therapist or someone. That is if you ever arrive at that eventuality.
And all this talk here that you must be careful of the zol and get away from it quick is just the same as all this romantic talk about how you are going to be so fucked up in the army and need to see therapists and all. There may just be times when making a skyf will level you out a lot more than going to talk to a textbook therapist or someone. That is if you ever arrive at that eventuality.