Well, the blitzkreig was made possible by methamphetamine, and Hitler took speed five times a day. There, I hope that has concluded this argument.

Fingerpicker wrote:

X-rated Bob wrote:

To refer to the example that Fingerpicker gave earlier, aerodynamically efficient handle bars and helmets were not cheating - it was done openly and it was one of those things that the rules had failed to anticipate. Armstrong did what he did secretively and must have known it was against the rules - a different kettle of fish.

Using the "Unfair advantage" definition he was cheating. I mean his competitor could pull up on a battery powered cycle at the next race, and that would be okay? - even if it's not in the rules.

Well yes. The law would be an ass in such a case, but if it's within the rules it's legal. If no progress in equipment was allowed they'd still be racing penny farthings - and there'd be arguments about the compounds for the tyres and the bearings and the break pads....

Other sports have had to decide what to do about improved equipment. In tennis the materials used for racquets changed. In base ball they've banned metal bats from the major leagues. In cricket there's been tweaking of the rules about the construction of the bat and what materials may be used.

From Wiki for interest:
The 1989 Tour de France was the 76th Tour de France, a race of 21 stages and a prologue, over 3285.3 km in total.[1] In the closest tour in his
tory, Greg LeMond was behind by 50 seconds at the start of the final stage, a time trial into Paris. LeMond rode for an average speed of 54.55 km/h (34.093 mph), the second fastest time trial ever ridden in the Tour de France. He made up 58 seconds on Laurent Fignon, to win the race by 8 seconds. LeMond and Fignon occupied the top two places between them from early in the race. The two men were never separated by more than 53 seconds throughout the race.

I just checked the wiki page. It's interesting. After stage 16 Lemond had that 53 second lead. After 17 Fignon was ahead by 26 seconds. That's a 79 second turn around in one stage. Fignon then extended his lead by another 24 seconds on stage 18 - 103 seconds gained in two stages. For Lemond to make 58 seconds back in the final stage doesn't seem THAT unlikely.

Viccy wrote: Well, the blitzkreig was made possible by methamphetamine, and Hitler took speed five times a day. There, I hope that has concluded this argument.

OK...if you say so !

?

And of course Freddie has a song about it too.....

Viccy wrote: Well, the blitzkreig was made possible by methamphetamine, and Hitler took speed five times a day. There, I hope that has concluded this argument.

I know Hitler invaded France, but I don't think he did the Tour De France ?

Before speed was made illegal some TDF'ers used it.

Viccy wrote: Before speed was made illegal some TDF'ers used it.

I suppose speed is always useful in a race
?

Viccy wrote: Well, the blitzkreig was made possible by methamphetamine, and Hitler took speed five times a day. There, I hope that has concluded this argument.

Haha - Godwin's law again?

studmissile wrote:

Viccy wrote: Well, the blitzkreig was made possible by methamphetamine, and Hitler took speed five times a day. There, I hope that has concluded this argument.

I know Hitler invaded France, but I don't think he did the Tour De France ?

He did ...sort of....

?

Vic wrote:

studmissile wrote:

Viccy wrote: Well, the blitzkreig was made possible by methamphetamine, and Hitler took speed five times a day. There, I hope that has concluded this argument.

I know Hitler invaded France, but I don't think he did the Tour De France ?

He did ...sort of....

?

And stole all of Holland's bicycles to do it! :roflmao:

At this rate Lance is going to overtake without aid of drugs (well, I suppose I can't speak on behalf of all the commenters):

What are you listening to right now... 2088
Pron.... GFSA style. 1285
Gumtree/Junkmail/Capeads deals 1079
Gumtree Fail 888
Your Pedalboard!!! 813
GFSA'rs in action... Performance pics from YOU 642
Why I Would Rather Gouge My Own Eyes Out Than Play An Ibanez 491
Sigh. Really bad day so I grabbed my guitar 481


Whoda thunk it.

Hmmph...this is how it's done!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/19/ivan-fernandez-anaya-runner-loses-on-purpose/1847999/

Chabenda wrote: Hmmph...this is how it's done!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/19/ivan-fernandez-anaya-runner-loses-on-purpose/1847999/

Agreed .....

What would lance armstrong do?

Partly related ... but have a look anyway:

IceCreamMan wrote:

Chabenda wrote: Hmmph...this is how it's done!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/19/ivan-fernandez-anaya-runner-loses-on-purpose/1847999/

Agreed .....

What would lance armstrong do?

He'd do this... ?

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Amsterdam is a lot like the Tour de France. It's just a lot of people on drugs riding bikes!

(c/o Sickipedia)

This all started with that b*tch, Mother Nature. Genetics ensures nobody starts off on equal footing. In horse racing it's the owner/breeder that gets the prize, not the horse. I say give all athletes' winnings to their parents ?

Trippp wrote: This all started with that b*tch, Mother Nature. Genetics ensures nobody starts off on equal footing. In horse racing it's the owner/breeder that gets the prize, not the horse. I say give all athletes' winnings to their parents ?

shock horror ,,,are you saying we not all equal ...in this egalitarian world this is very politically incorrect...... genes more important than upbringing ...

seems to be a lot of people saying lance was not completely honest in his confession to oprah....mmmmmmm interesting

seems to be a lot of people saying lance was not completely honest in his confession to oprah....mmmmmmm interesting

ICM - Lance and Opera, and their respective crews, must have spent hours, if not days, setting up the questions and replies. In the Land of the Brave where Beyonce and the Marine Corps Band lip-synch the national anthem for the president's inauguration (that takes more lack of respect than guts) would you expect anything else of them?

Hopefully the President wasn't lip-synching his oath!

It is my jaded opinion that the whole interview and confession was stage managed to generate as much publicity, and profit, as possible. Both Oprah and Lance are very effective at making money.