the Boss GT10.... ha ha ha.

Between the roland and the vox, the Roland wins, hands down.

In my books, it'd be the Mustang then the Vox ?

Mustang or Vox. I have always disliked the Cubes, they don't sound convincing to me in any way.

You missed the line6 DT50 and DT25 and the Kemper (profiling, modelling, same aim).

Ive added the Line 6 Dt...
The Kemper is a bit hard to come by at the moment , that's why I didn't add it in the first place!
But the Kemper has an interesting approach which is way different from the others imo

Like Mike M - Fender Mustang III, then the VOX.

Lotsa love for the Vox? I hated that amp. Good cleans, really, really shite drive.

Why do you chaps like it? What's so good about it? What did I miss?

Donovan Banks wrote: Why do you chaps like it? What's so good about it? What did I miss?

Realistic dynamic response. Sure, if I were only playing metal, I'd probably go somewhere else like Line 6.

That's the thing... there is no "best modeller" any more than there is a "best amp". They all have strengths and weaknesses and you choose the one whose strengths line up with what you like/do.

Actually, I'm currently getting some of my best tones ever from the Eleven Rack - but have only really spent serious time with the models of the amps I like (Twin, AC30, Plexi and SVT). The Twin model matched up to a 2 x 12 Celestion Blue Cabinet very nearly nails my own amp, so I'm happy as the porcine in the proverbial ATM.

Isn't the Fender Super Champ XD also "modelling"? Would get my (mostly ignorant) vote.

Yea, that damn Kemper has even got me gassing. Think I might have to start a fund for one. Wonder how long it'll take them to bring a new one out..

Joe Moore wrote: The Eleven rack is not part of this particular poll and the Kemper shouln't be part of this poll either. :-\ imo. Those two , together with the Axe FX 1 and 2 , belong in the Premier League

Agreed. While the Eleven Rack is modelling, it is not an amp, but a preamp. While the Kemper has an amp version, it uses convolution, not modelling. The AxeFX uses both technologies but is still a preamp.

... where the Kemper currently occupies the top spot . 8)

Debatable. ?

Agreed. While the Eleven Rack is modelling, it is not an amp, but a preamp. While the Kemper has an amp version, it uses convolution, not modelling. The AxeFX uses both technologies but is still a preamp.

The fact that it uses convolution doesn't tell you anything at all. That is just multiplying two functions together, shifting one of them and repeating. Its like saying the Polytune is a better tuner because it uses a Fast Fourier transform (They all do). Sorry Alan ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolution

I think, practically, most devices, whether they use "modellling" or "profliling" or whatever algorithms, are basically doing the same thing. They try to sound like real amps. In the world of guitar amplification, accuracy (of the sound) is of little concern, the only thing that matters is whether the human listening at the end of it all is happy with the result. Hence my stance on this.

I do agree that maybe I was wrong suggesting the Kemper, as it is not an amp but a preamp.

I guess I should remove the Kemper then...
But as far as the Vox goes, I have heard some of bad things about its build quality... alot of folks complaining about serious hissing and amps dying on them

ez wrote: The fact that it uses convolution doesn't tell you anything at all. That is just multiplying two functions together, shifting one of them and repeating.

Still the best way to accurately mimic the response of any chaotic system such as room reverb or speaker response.

Yes they are both trying to sound like real amps, but they do it in very different ways and each approach has its advantages and disadvantages.

In the world of guitar amplification, accuracy (of the sound) is of little concern, the only thing that matters is whether the human listening at the end of it all is happy with the result.

Very true. And each of the amps listed in the poll above has people who are happy with them. To take it a step further, nothing about a tone matters beyond what the player does with it, regardless of its origins.

psyx wrote: But as far as the Vox goes, I have heard some of bad things about its build quality... alot of folks complaining about serious hissing and amps dying on them

Not brand specific though, more like price specific.

The Fender mustang is a serious lil modelling amp i reckon and it has the jump on the oppostiion,,for now anyway. next generation modeliing amps from all the manufacturers will have the same technology as the mustang an then some.

The line 6 DT has piqued my interest, from what i read it has 4 different models and only reverb, it is a tube based amp as well. reviews seem to be very positive too, but never seen one ...yet anyway

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:

... where the Kemper currently occupies the top spot . 8)

Debatable. ?

This!

Having gotten to actually try a Kemper back to back with the amp it was modelling I think it does a brilliant job but you can hear where it's weaknesses are. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing unit but it's not the alpha and omega that everyone is making it out to be, and at the end of the day the person operating it is more important than the unit itself.

I seriously dislike modelling amps, I had a Line 6 Spider 3 for a while and hated every moment. I wanted it to work, and I wanted it to be this amazing affordable alternative, but it just wasn't. I tried gigging with it and found keeping its volume level normalized between switching effects and channels a real pain.

Nothing beats the real thing.

something no one has asked yet, what is your budget?
What are you looking for out of this list??

i would choose the mustang myself... but only because i have listened and researched it a lot!
the only one i havent really done reading on is the Marshall jmd!