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VERY keen to know what those are going to cost. Probably the same as the Transatlantic, still a lot of cash but this sorts out the problem of cranking your amp (to a certain extent). Wonder if it's going to sound as big as the 50/100w through a 4x12 - that's the real test imo.

Looking forward to some demo's.
    Charlie4 wrote: Wonder if it's going to sound as big as the 50/100w through a 4x12 - that's the real test imo.

    Looking forward to some demo's.
    See my latest blog entry:

    http://hellfirebluesclub.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/100-watt-tube-amplifiers-wtf-are-they-for/

    I'm intrigued that the guitar playing public is cottoning onto the reality that you can't make those big amps sound like they do at huge stadium concerts in the kinds of clubs most of us play - and the amp makers are all responding. What I'm saying is: It may not sound as big as a 50/100w through a 4x12 cranked, but it'll almost certainly sound better than that amp in a small club with the master volume on 0.3. Know what I mean?

    At club volumes this amp can hit its sweet spot which, even if it's not as sweet as that of the 100w, the 100w will never get there at those volumes.
      Joe Moore wrote:
      Charlie4 wrote: VERY keen to know what those are going to cost........
      Sweetwater $749..... ($999 on pre-order) in the USA , but sadly, our price will be lots more >☹

      Too true! Looks cool though!!
        I thought this was pretty cool, then I realised I probably still couldn't afford one and may as well save up for an Axe-FX as it'll probably be cheaper ?
          Charlie4 wrote: VERY keen to know what those are going to cost. Probably the same as the Transatlantic, still a lot of cash but this sorts out the problem of cranking your amp (to a certain extent). Wonder if it's going to sound as big as the 50/100w through a 4x12 - that's the real test imo.

          Looking forward to some demo's.
          There is allready an argument on other forums about this.
          They believe the amp will be $1000.00 to $1100.00 and that is for a 25W Recto sounding amp running on EL84's.

          Their argument is : why buy a 25watt model for 1.1K (before tax), when you can get a 100W Recto on the used market for $800.00 to $900.00, in good cond. ?
          With Mesa's, it is not about getting power valve drive, as these amps get most of their tone/gain from their pre-amp section anyways.
          So why need a low wattage model, when the mojo is gomming from the pre-amp secton anyways ?
          No need to get those power valves cooking like an old non master vol Plexis.

          Also, many agree that it is the older Rectos (the ones going for less than 1K used) that sound the "best", before Mesa started to chop and change the models, left, right and center.

          Lets see what happens.
            My dual rec and 4x12 recto cab was complete overkill for my needs... They can be pushed to painfully loud levels without a hint of protest.. The most amazing tone experience I've had to date, however. If I don't get another dual rec again and I'm happy with what the mini can produce, this seems to be the answer to my prayers (at least on paper). I'd swap valves to 6l6's straight off the bat and get a 1X12 or 2X12 Upright cab fitted with V30's. That's my take on heavenly tone if you have a one amp rig. Wouldn't mind a Tiny- or dual terror on the side, but I suppose that's just being greedy... :-[ My only question, and this is where the Trans-Atlantic fails to attract me is: Can it produce the authentic Rectifier growl that I so love and crave?

            I'm exited about this one!
              ? i was reading about these small amps with metal casing that get way hot and the metal handle gets so hot one burns ones hands........
                Rectifiers run very hot!

                I'd prefer this one in a 1x12 (V30) Combo. I just hope Mesa's managed to get the FX loop right this time... I'm hoping for a true series loop. My G-system HATED the duel rec's fx loop -even after having the series mod done... Researching if it'll run on 6l6's at the moment. Anyone know?
                  Found this on another site :



                  Volume can be overcome at many levels...

                  A 25 watt amp with, 12inch, 100db speakers is rather loud and a 120 watt amp into a single 96bd 12 can be used in most home settings with a little help.

                  The issue of dirt/distortion can be handled in several ways as well...master volumes, attenuators even pedals for big amps and the little ones, just crank them a lot or crank them a little and boost them a little and you have dirt...

                  However, headroom can NOT be replicated in a small amp...it's just not possible!

                  If you have a 10 watt amp and you turn the volume to 3 you're as loud as the amp will get, already pretty compressed and if you boost it or addan OD pedal in front you are really working the amp hard and the harder you work the amp the harder it is to roll things back and get a good clean tone some player like, want and need however with a bigger amp it is MUCH easier.

                  Even worse still is if you have a 20 watt amp with a 30 watt speaker...then on top of the amp working it's all kicking the speakers ass for even more crunch and compression and coming back form that can be hard at any kind of volume level...

                  This is the reason, the only reaosn I've been looking at slightly bigger amps lately...there is no substitute for headroom!
                    I bought a 2 year old second hand.

                    It's pointless to theorize imo... The only way to judge if the lower watt version sounds better or worse at optimum volume levels is to actually play it at those levels. Does it have the Mesa rectifier growl and does it drive similar cabs as well as the original? I'll have to test that for myself. Info on the net can often be very misleading and not always accurate enough to form educated opinions on imo. In my case I'd prefer to do a back to back test with a dual rec with different cab combo's on either side. I love and know the dual rec tone so well that I can't wait to test and compare the little one. When I have the need for a new rig, that is. The specs show much promise thus far...
                      I'm just gonna out and say that I really prefer the Mark V, until Mesa considers doing a lower wattage one of those I'm just pretty meh about it...However with all the various wattage switches the Mark V has they probably wouldn't consider it necessary ?

                      If I got one of these I'd wanna run it through an Orange cab (2x12) cause they seem to help lessen that scoop that the rectifiers seem to have...
                        This amp look pretty rad, i think that it would work better in studio than anything else, i had a 20 watter and it was cool for live but did lack a little bit of headroom, i think that this amp would be a bit soft for practices especially if you have a hammer on the drum kit, if it was me i'd rather look at a single rectumfryer purely because if i need a little extra headroom at practices i'd have have it.

                        IMHO rad for practice alone/studio application but i don't think it will cut for practical band use, only time will really tell so lets wait for it to hit our stores in 2 yrs time ?

                          ? ?

                          This does indeed look like a SWEET amp, as ZARK says if it can growl like the dual then its a winner! however I am scared to see what the price will be here in SA, going to be hard to justify +15k on a little 25watt (I assume it will be that price more/less)
                            @Shadow1: If I have to spend around R15k on an amp that provides all the tone and headroom I need at optimum playing volumes then I'm saving R9k if a dual rec was the alternative. Obviously it would have to be thoroughly tested first.

                            @needleshy: Our drummer is quite the hammer and even when pushed, my dual rec was probably running at around 15-20% only. They are exceedingly loud amps that displace a lot of air at 100watts through a 4x12... The only place where headroom might be an issue on the 25watt is on the clean channel imo... With all the gain stages the modern channel on a rec is significantly louder than the clean and I'm confident the mini will have more than enough volume on the Red (modern) channel... It's just the green (clean) channel that I'm not so sure of... I'd mic the mini up anyway so I'd be more into the idea of driving the amp hard which was impossible with my 100watt rec...

                            @Chad: -1 on the Mark V (to my taste) but a definite +1 on Orange Cabs. Great cabs -at very least on par with a good Mesa Cab but as you've stated they deliver their tone differently to a recto cab even when loaded with the same speakers.

                            Time will tell and I'd be most interested in a combo at this stage, not just the head. Could be a year or three down the line but that's perfect timing for me to start looking at a new rig again. (I'm hoping by that time TCE would have released a new G-System and Nova-system as options to complement the mini- or dual rec...
                              ZarK wrote: @Chad: -1 on the Mark V (to my taste) but a definite +1 on Orange Cabs. Great cabs -at very least on par with a good Mesa Cab but as you've stated they deliver their tone differently to a recto cab even when loaded with the same speakers.
                              What can I say man, I'm just a fan of guitar tones that actually have upper mids ?

                              JK ?

                              In all honesty though I think Orange pretty much make my favourite cabs right now, of the brands I've had the opportunity to try, it's just a shame that they're so damn heavy... :?
                                Chad Adam Browne wrote:
                                ZarK wrote: @Chad: -1 on the Mark V (to my taste) but a definite +1 on Orange Cabs. Great cabs -at very least on par with a good Mesa Cab but as you've stated they deliver their tone differently to a recto cab even when loaded with the same speakers.
                                What can I say man, I'm just a fan of guitar tones that actually have upper mids ?

                                JK ?

                                In all honesty though I think Orange pretty much make my favourite cabs right now, of the brands I've had the opportunity to try, it's just a shame that they're so damn heavy... :?

                                I don't think the Orange badge on those cabs is why they have those upper mids ? Most Mesa and Orange cabs contain Celestion Vintage 30s which are famous for that upper mid spike. They're also a cause of severe ice pick in some amps but they are great for amps with a mid scoop or if you have to cut through the mix in a noisy band.
                                  ezietsman wrote: I don't think the Orange badge on those cabs is why they have those upper mids ? Most Mesa and Orange cabs contain Celestion Vintage 30s which are famous for that upper mid spike. They're also a cause of severe ice pick in some amps but they are great for amps with a mid scoop or if you have to cut through the mix in a noisy band.
                                  It's not the badge, it's the construction mainly, the Orange and the Mesa cabs are very differently made. I find even when mated with a Mesa cab, traditional or modern, triple recs seem to lack upper mid range presence however I do find that the Orange cabs help rectify (see what I did there ?) this problem. If I had a triple rec I'd have to have an Orange cab, otherwise I'd sell the triple rec and get a Mark V or a Framus Cobra ?

                                  EDIT: Also by this statement:
                                  Chad Adam Browne wrote: What can I say man, I'm just a fan of guitar tones that actually have upper mids ?
                                  I was really just saying the Recs seem to have quite a heavy scoop which I don't like, however the Mark V doesn't and is super yummy ?