Dingwall
Probably been done lots before but hey ho....
So the question is who is that guitarist that everyone you know freaks for, and who somehow appears in every magazine or forum you read but you just don't get it, or are simply unable to see what the fuss is about? Also I don't mean different music styles to what you are into, those guitarists are sometimes easier to criticize.
Tonedef
Joe Satriani. Not his techical skill, that is beyond question. Its his one-man-band thing. It results in a clinicality that leaves me cold. He has dropped canned percussion over the years which helped, but overall his music seems contrived. I believe this is a fair criticism in the sense that he and the music made by him are inseperable, he is effectively drummer, rhythm, lead, bass and keyboard all-in-one. If the result leaves me cold, then he is a meh muso to my ears, his guitar brilliance notwithstanding. And lets not even talk about his singing!
Keira-WitherKay
mmmmm i tend to hate the idea that guitarists are rated at all.........but thats the way of the music industry ........
i can assure you that some of the players that i adore will not be appreciated by most rock players and vice versa.........
once more if someone is performing and recording there is obviously a market for what they doing regardless if you like what they do or not or think they overrated or not ......fabulous for there being more music out there ..... and i believe in the mindset if you like em support em..but if not just don't go to the show.... and yes i know it's a common guitarist trait to be critical of all but their own "hero's" but no need to critisize and slate someone for being popular or highly respected/rated just cos you don't believe they should be or don't like their music
but declaring someone overated is NOT cool or in fact even possible cos whose standard do you apply to judge this ......... it's totally a personal opinion ........ and depends on the listeners favourite genre..... and if they appear in magazines and on tv shows it's for a reason .they definitely have a huge fan base even f you don't think they should have....cos magazines and tv shows ect are all popularity based cos thats whats sells magazines......
PeteM
No reply - not into negative posts.
singemonkey
Complaints duly noted by everyone. I have no problem with negative posts. Inspires more thought than most. And this is most assuredly about personal opinion. Especially since most guitar players mentioned here will be technically excellent players who deserve admiration for their skills.
Mine's Eric Johnson. Amazingly skilled player, and not a shredder for shred's sake, but for all that he bores the heck out of me. I'd rather listen to Johnny Ramone play three power chords over and over.
21Fretter
I highly dislike Malmsteen. I think absolutely everything he makes just sounds the same, his tone is horrendous and his answer to everything is to just play a million notes a second. There are one or two songs that i do like though.
Tonedef
PeteM wrote:
No reply - not into negative posts.
I happen to think that Shakespeare is totally overrated. It's still a valid viewpoint and open for discussion, no?
MIKA-the-better-one
Satriani
Kirk Hammet
Malmstein
Tom Morello (he is good and has his style but is blown out of proprtion by people)
I find most guitarists who "show off" a bit tedious, and you often get comments from bystanding plebians "he is so good at guitar hey"
I prefer a guitarist who does his job and a good job and does not need to be a cock rock about it.
Dan Patlansky, yeh he has some skill, but he pretty much sounds like he is just ripping off hendrix (straight ripping off) I dont think he has much to offer in the way of good music, the way hendrix did it......
I dont think its negative to discuss this sort of thing, I think its kind of a cleaning process which allows us to remove ourselves from the mess we stew in..... Thats how you get a good industry, you critically cull things off........
PeteM
Tonedef wrote:
PeteM wrote:
No reply - not into negative posts.
I happen to think that Shakespeare is totally overrated. It's still a valid viewpoint and open for discussion, no?
Sure, for some, but not me, I steer clear of negativity if I can... it seems to stifle my creativity and productivity.
Malkav
Here come the flame wars >☹
This could get interesting ?
Tonedef
PeteM wrote:
it seems to stifle my creativity and productivity.
That's fair.
I guess I do not mind to crit old Will,
Since I do not, at all, not ever, use that
thing called Iambic Pentameter ?
Bob-Dubery
Tonedef wrote:
PeteM wrote:
No reply - not into negative posts.
I happen to think that Shakespeare is totally overrated. It's still a valid viewpoint and open for discussion, no?
But is he any good?
One can be overrated and still be pretty good.
Tonedef
X-rated Bob wrote:
Tonedef wrote:
PeteM wrote:
No reply - not into negative posts.
I happen to think that Shakespeare is totally overrated. It's still a valid viewpoint and open for discussion, no?
But is he any good?
One can be overrated and still be pretty good.
I'd say he was an excellent playwright.
singemonkey
Shakespeare overrated ? LOL! Way to troll.
That's like saying Michael Jordan was overrated as a basketball player. Or Stalin was overrated as a mass murderer. Course you can think it. But you'd be wrong.
Tonedef
singemonkey wrote:
Shakespeare overrated ? LOL! Way to troll.
That's like saying Michael Jordan was overrated as a basketball player. Or Stalin was overrated as a mass murderer. Course you can think it. But you'd be wrong.
It's an opinion.
My opinion. Are you trying to suggest what my opinion should be?
MIKA-the-better-one
I dont really care about no literature...... but Michael Jordan a good basketball player :0 no no no SPace Jam made him look good, but truthfully he could not even take on bugs bunny at one on one
Warren
I think that there is a sort of separation between a guitar player and their music, in a lot of cases.
There are lots of shred players and fusion players who I think are absolutely amazing as guitarists, but the actual music that they record doesn't hold my interest. It's interesting at first for the "gee whiz" factor but that's about it.
Satch is maybe a good example for me: My favourite tunes of his are "Always With You, Always With Me", "Love Thing" and "Rubina". They're all slowish ballads with great melodies and not much technical flash. His other stuff like "Satch Boogie" and "Mystical Potatoe Head Groove Thing" are interesting for the first 30 seconds before they become a wank-fest.
Vai is in a similar boat: he has released tons of stuff that is certainly very interesting to listen to, but not particularly enjoyable, really. Not to hear repeatedly, at least. Interesting that "For the Love of God", arguably his most popular piece, is chock full of long, sustained bends (a la Gary Moore) and is based on a pretty simple hook.
However, there is no denying that they're two of the greatest players in the world, and have been for a long time. They could probably play anything at all that you put in front of them, and play it brilliantly and with authenticity.
Bob-Dubery
Tonedef wrote:
singemonkey wrote:
Shakespeare overrated ? LOL! Way to troll.
That's like saying Michael Jordan was overrated as a basketball player. Or Stalin was overrated as a mass murderer. Course you can think it. But you'd be wrong.
It's an opinion.
My opinion. Are you trying to suggest what my opinion should be?
I'm as opinionated as the next man (at least), but I don't see why an opinion has to be respected. People should have the right to opinions and, I believe, not shy away from having them, but that doesn't make any given opinion worth anything. People now a days are increasingly fond of spouting the most execrable bilge and then adding "in my opinion" as if that somehow makes it worth something.
Opinions are things that can't be proven - possibly about matters where there is no "truth" (EG who is the greatest guitarist on earth). If they could be proven they wouldn't be opinions they would be facts.
Tonedef
Exactly. Maybe Singe should demonstrate why my personal opinion on Shakespeare is "wrong", without circularly resorting to giving his own opinion. And leaving the ad hominems out of it while he's at it. :?
I don't care if people disagree with me on the Shakespeare thing, that's their prerogative. That wasn't the point I was getting at when I mentioned Shakespeare.
---mario---
I dislike Wikkelspies because it was the most boring and agonizing experience to be in a class where he was read, wich was nearly all of them >☹ its cruelty I tell yeah.
He's the medievil equavilant of Hugh Heffner, and Romeo and Juliet is a porno, thats all ?
? I haven't read any of his other work yet so don't take note of me in this opinion talk, R&J was a bad enough experience for me...
