Righto, bonus time is around the corner

scratchy · 2008-08-27T10:06:32+00:00

Yessir' It's that time of the year when our bosses start handing out more money than we actually worked for and I've decided to blow the lot on some equipment. I'm looking at getting a second guitar and a nice amp. Budget would be around 7-9k. I currently have a Ibanez GIO which I am MORE than happy with, but I'd like something with a Floyd and some proper stock pickups. Brand doesn't matter, but I like my guitars to look the part as well. Should have a nice metal sound to it, but when I need it clean, it should handle it just as well. For the amp, I'm looking for something loud and clean that can be used at regular gigs down at the local metal bar. I used to jam on a Marshal MG100 and it was just just load enough on it's own. So I guess I'm looking for something similar to that, maybe a bit more power but still within the budget. Much appreciated...

FatBoy

Dont take anything I say as gospel, but I think the AD50VT 2 x 12 is actually a AD50VT XL, which is more aimed towards metal music, I may be wrong though.

scratchy

And of course it's a good bit louder?

I mention the word "louder" a lot as this amp will be used for gigging and gigging only, so loudness is def a huge factor

Vintage-Vibe

Hi Fritz/Scratchy

There was is a 50 watt 1 x 12" comco in the non-"XL" model
and YES it is more than enough to compete with a rock drummer. Sometimes Tuerk Music (the importers) and consequently the shops will occassionaly be out of stock of 1 or 2 models in the range - just 'cause u don't c it in your local shop doesn't mean they can't get it for u.

Good luck
VV

scratchy

Thanks Vintage Vibe, but I'm looking at the 2 x 12 version of that amp. Is it worth the extra dosh and why?

Sorry again for all the questions

scratchy

Awesome, local muso shop imports vox directly from the supplier in SA.

That means 3 day waiting time and prices that beat marshall music.

Now I just need to know which is better....the 1 x 12 ad50vt or the 2 x 12 ad50vt?

SCORE ?

AlanRatcliffe

As Mr. M said above:

Mr M wrote The AD100VT 2x12" has got a serious amount of volume and because it moves alot of air with the 2x12" speakers it will do non-PA gigs quite easily. A little rougher sounding on the top end, but still very nice. Does metal even better than the AD50VT because of the extra bottom-end punch from the 2x12s.

The main downside to a 2 X 12 is weight. IMO, a 1 X12 will always punch through the mix a little better than a 2 X 12, but that doesn't matter if you're micing up, as you only mic one speaker anyway.

kayDUB

scratchy wrote so loudness is def a huge factor

Am I the only one who picked up the pun????
hahahaha! deaf, get it?

Anyway, I have a 2x12 marshall, it is damn heavy and a mission to cart around! going to get a smaller amp soon cos I can't take it anymore. not famous enough for a roadie yet...
I reckon big amps are over-rated, having the amp miced gives you a potentially better overall mix (depending on sound engineer), plus you can hear the rest of the band easier! ... wait, we are guitarists... who wants to hear the rest of the band? ?

AlanRatcliffe

kayDUB wrote I reckon big amps are over-rated, having the amp miced gives you a potentially better overall mix (depending on sound engineer), plus you can hear the rest of the band easier!

I'm a firm believer in this. Always better to have a small amp mic'ed than a big amp turned down.

FenderBender

Why not just send the preamp output of your monitor amp to the desk instead of mikeing it up?

Either way, just think how much extra beer would fit into the car ?

scratchy

The weigth isn't such an issue for me, but if the 2 x 12 50 watt modelprovides extra headroom then it's a different story.

I had a chance to hear the 1 x 12 model yesterday, my oh my, it really does sound fantastic, the owner could not demonstrate the amp at high levels however ☹

This is my amp, the 1 x12 or the 2 x 12 remains to be seen

Mr-M

Alan Ratcliffe wrote I'm a firm believer in this. Always better to have a small amp mic'ed than a big amp turned down.

Amen! Preach it brother! My philosophy as well.

scratchy wrote The weigth isn't such an issue for me, but if the 2 x 12 50 watt modelprovides extra headroom then it's a different story.

I've tried the AD50VT 2x12" before, but as far as I've heard it's no longer available (I was thinking of getting one to supplement my 1x12" at bigger gigs about 7 or 8 months back, but because it wasn't available and because I decided I have enough volume anyway I didn't), so that's why I didn't mention it. The 2x12" is a little bit louder - about 3dB actually 'cos that's what an extra speaker typically adds in terms of volume - but besides that it also has a bit of a "bigger" sound with a wider spread (ouput from two speakers obviously moves more air) so it will be more easily heard off to the side of the stage. The tone is closer to the AD100VT (same speakers) but a bit less "open" because it's a closed back amp. Tighter bottom end than the AD100VT or the AD50VT, but I wouldn't say it's got more bass though - less than the 100 (I think the power amp is tuned for more lows in the 100), slightly more than the 50. Personally I think the overall tone of the AD50VT 1x12" is better, mostly because the speaker is better (Celestion vs VOX Custom).

Vintage-Vibe

To summarise MR M:
2 speakers move more air than 1.
Close-back designs have tighter bass response than open-back designs.
A bigger cabinet means more bass (not that these amps need that !), but more weight.
I would want to try both models against each other next to a drummer before buying.
NB: the footswitch doesn't come with the amp usually, and that's about R 30.00 extra.

Don't over-think it: trust yourself and TRY to get to hear BOTH !
Tell the shop guy u can afford both, but need to HEAR both - either way, he's left with the remaining 1 to sell so he doesn't have to actually take on more stock !

VV

Mr-M

Vintage Vibe wrote NB: the footswitch doesn't come with the amp usually, and that's about R 30.00 extra.

Yeah the footswitch isn't free with the amp, but it's more like R300 for it.

scratchy

Eish, R300...that's the difference between the 1 x 12" and the 2 x 12" ☹

Mr-M

scratchy wrote Eish, R300...that's the difference between the 1 x 12" and the 2 x 12" ☹

?
I thought the difference between them was like R1500.

scratchy

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating just a tad ?

R300 is still nuts for a 2 way switch though

Mr-M

scratchy wrote R300 is still nuts for a 2 way switch though

Hey, I was quoted R600 for the (plastic) footswitch for my old Classic 30. I ended up buying the VOX one for R250 (discount!). I used it with the Peavey while I had it and now been using using it on my AD50VT for the past year and a bit as well as my AD30VT and VR30 before that. The footswitch is like 3+ years old and it's still going strong, plus it's solidly built metal. Just changed the cable out for a longer one 'cos the original was only around 3m.

scratchy

Thanks man, I'll have to look into the foot switch.

It's a bit stupid that it's not included though

Mr-M

Yeah, I agree.
I think it's pretty common that amps don't come with a footswitch though, except the properly pricey ones. The only amps I've bought that came with a FS were both of my AC30s, but those are between 10 - 20K each.

Vintage-Vibe

Right u R M - I seem to have missed out a zero on the footswitch price - oops ! Typing hands can't keep up with brain !

VV

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