Les paul into a Marshall = great tone...

Tokai-SA · 2009-11-22T12:23:35+00:00

Isn't this "the tone" that most guitarists search for..well, one of the great tones that we search for? All the internet GAS talk about Boutique amps, Custom made guitars, etc,etc...when for me it's in a stock Marshall and a Les Paul. Thoughts?

Stoner-Riff

Alan Ratcliffe wrote
Reinhard wrote
Alan Ratcliffe wrote The ultimate Fender amp for Les Pauls and other humbucker guitars is probably the Pro Reverb.
I'll even throw in a vote for the Fender Super (reverb?)
Or am I confused? Which is the one with the small output trannie that sounds wonderful when it saturates?

Is'nt that the Bandmaster ?

A Bassman, like mine, but with much smaller trannies, that goes into clipping once you crank it just a little bit ?

dee

You have not lived until you've played open chords on an SG plugged into a cranked Marshall. ?

Stoner-Riff

dee wrote You have not lived until you've played open chords on an SG plugged into a cranked Marshall. ?

IMHO, an SG with hot'ish P90's, into a JTM45 head & 4X12 w Greenbacks = 8)

Not an SG, nor is it hot'ish P90's, but wow, just listen to that :

Reinhard

Alan Ratcliffe wrote
Reinhard wrote
Alan Ratcliffe wrote The ultimate Fender amp for Les Pauls and other humbucker guitars is probably the Pro Reverb.
I'll even throw in a vote for the Fender Super (reverb?)
Or am I confused? Which is the one with the small output trannie that sounds wonderful when it saturates?

Now I'm not sure either Mike lol, but I have heard some LP through super clips that blew my mind.

matta

Um, nope, my '67 Blackface Bandmaster doesn't 'saturate' or even break up till around 4 on the dials, LOADS of headroom.

The Bandmaster came out the same time as the Bassman, but was designed for guitar, the Bassman was for bassists... though nobody really liked it in this role. The bigger brother of the Bandmaster/Bassman was/is the Showman.

The Bandmaster, at least my Blackface era one has the AB763 circuit, the same as the Deluxe & Twin Reverb and in lieu of the 'BASS' channel it has a 'VIBRATO' channel, like the other classic Blackface's.

That said the output transformer IS physically smaller being a 40W amp vs the 50W Bassman.

I love it dearly... I owned an AB165 Bassman but sold it and kept the Bandmaster as I needed the cash to buy my '65 AC30... keeping my eye out for a Deluxe Reverb, though may end up building myself a Tweed Deluxe one of these days... I got GAS it seems...

Matt

Tokai-SA

My 66 Vibrolux Reverb started breaking up with the volume on 4...beautiful tones, but the volume had to be above 4 to really hear them.

Reinhard

Tokai SA wrote My 66 Vibrolux Reverb started breaking up with the volume on 4...beautiful tones, but the volume had to be above 4 to really hear them.

What I wouldn't give for a vibrolux reverb!!

singemonkey

Ooh. Suddenly remembered my other fave - which is an LP through a Marshall. It's the Clapton tone on the Bluesbreakers record. That's a JTM45 Combo, right?

That would be my dream amp if you didn't have take it into a nuclear bunker to play it loud enough to get that tone. A low-watt amp that could do that would get my money. But probably I'll just end up having to use digital emulation. The damn thing's just too loud.

Reinhard

singemonkey wrote Ooh. Suddenly remembered my other fave - which is an LP through a Marshall. It's the Clapton tone on the Bluesbreakers record. That's a JTM45 Combo, right?

That would be my dream amp if you didn't have take it into a nuclear bunker to play it loud enough to get that tone. A low-watt amp that could do that would get my money. But probably I'll just end up having to use digital emulation. The damn thing's just too loud.

You get a 18W build like that. If I am not mistaken marshall also released a 18W hand wired version.

singemonkey

You got a link? ?

AlanRatcliffe

The 18W Marshall is one of the all-time great Marshalls. Here's the reissue: http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=1974X

Also see http://www.18watt.com/ - there are lots of guys building clones and amps based on the 18W.

I think Ceriatone has an 18W kit and a version with an EF86 frontend.

singemonkey

Dammit. More GAS. Will it never freaking end?

Are there any threads on ordering Ceriatone Amps? As a person who's a bit clueless about amps, I find their site a bit confusing. Like, I don't know exactly what their prices are for. Does the pre-assembled amp come with tubes/transformers, etc.?

I'd be happy to get the amp and then get a cabinet and speaker here.

An 18w Marshall sounds the perfect solution for SA club gigs. Built in tremolo too. If only it had a spring reverb tank. I wonder if you're building it from a ceriatone kit how easy it would be to put a long-spring reverb tank into the loop?

AlanRatcliffe

No. I know a few guys in the US that have bought them. I gather they work out cheap (even with shipping from Singapore), but don't have anywhere near the same component quality as the Mojo or some of the other kits. Their site would be confusing if you don't know what an AA763,etc. is. They usually have options with and without tubes.

Speaking Mojo, they probably have an 18Watter kit too.

Tokai-SA

singemonkey wrote Dammit. More GAS. Will it never freaking end?

Stop gassing for a new amp, first gas for a new guitar to plug into the amp. ?

Stoner-Riff

matta wrote Um, nope, my '67 Blackface Bandmaster doesn't 'saturate' or even break up till around 4 on the dials, LOADS of headroom.

The Bandmaster came out the same time as the Bassman, but was designed for guitar, the Bassman was for bassists... though nobody really liked it in this role. The bigger brother of the Bandmaster/Bassman was/is the Showman.

The Bandmaster, at least my Blackface era one has the AB763 circuit, the same as the Deluxe & Twin Reverb and in lieu of the 'BASS' channel it has a 'VIBRATO' channel, like the other classic Blackface's.

That said the output transformer IS physically smaller being a 40W amp vs the 50W Bassman.

I love it dearly... I owned an AB165 Bassman but sold it and kept the Bandmaster as I needed the cash to buy my '65 AC30... keeping my eye out for a Deluxe Reverb, though may end up building myself a Tweed Deluxe one of these days... I got GAS it seems...

Matt

Set on "5", the Bandmaster distorts a lot more than my AB165 Bassman set to "5" on the vol knob.
If a Bandmaster only starts to saturate at "4", then it gets real nasty real fast, because this Band Master is only on "5". (see below)

Would not mind getting one of these too . . .

. . . but i NEED a 5E3 first !

And a Marshall 2061X head n'cab !

Stoner-Riff

Alan Ratcliffe wrote The 18W Marshall is one of the all-time great Marshalls. Here's the reissue: http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=1974X

Also see http://www.18watt.com/ - there are lots of guys building clones and amps based on the 18W.

I think Ceriatone has an 18W kit and a version with an EF86 frontend.

They might be close in wattage, but i prefer the 20W 2061X over the 18W model every time !
YMMV

And w Tele !

Stoner-Riff

18Watts of the 1974X :

. . . to my ears, just not as sweet as the above posted 2061X

Stoner-Riff

singemonkey wrote Ooh. Suddenly remembered my other fave - which is an LP through a Marshall. It's the Clapton tone on the Bluesbreakers record. That's a JTM45 Combo, right?

That would be my dream amp if you didn't have take it into a nuclear bunker to play it loud enough to get that tone. A low-watt amp that could do that would get my money. But probably I'll just end up having to use digital emulation. The damn thing's just too loud.

Well, then look no futher than the new Marshall Class 5.

. . . a JTM in a sexy 5watt combo package 8)

Hopefully, comming soon, to a Marshall dealer near YOU !
Lets' just hope Marshall Music is not gonna phukk us over w this one too !

This truely sounds like a JTM45 scaled down, to a more manageable volume . . . (Monkey, this could be what you are looking for)

There are GREAT clips on the actual Marshall site too !

Tokai-SA

Stoner Riff wrote 18Watts of the 1974X :

. . . to my ears, just not as sweet as the above posted 2061X

Incredible tones.
I just don't like the fact that the level of distortion comes with volume, personally I prefer a Master Volume.

Stoner-Riff

Tokai SA wrote
Stoner Riff wrote 18Watts of the 1974X :

. . . to my ears, just not as sweet as the above posted 2061X
Incredible tones.
I just don't like the fact that the level of distortion comes with volume, personally I prefer a Master Volume.

THAT is how all the amps used to be (...like we all know), and i too prefer a master volume amp, but for me, there is some mojo about a non master volume amp, like my Bassman, the Marshall JTM45, Marshall 2061X, and that new Class 5 combo.

Saying that, my fav amp i the whole wide world, comes w a Master Volume (at 100W it should), but you can also order it, withOUT - strange that !

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