JK
I am looking to plug my AVT20 Marshal into a sound board. Apparently i can use the Emulated DI Out Jack Socket on the amp. Any thoughts? Is it safe? I dont want to be the one muppet who ruins the night by destroying the sound board!
Please advise. Thanks!
JK
Got this from the manual-
This jack socket carries a specially treated
output signal from your AVT20X which
accurately emulates the sonic signature of a
guitar loudspeaker. This output can be used in
both live performance and recording situations
to achieve authentic guitar amp tones without
having to use a microphone.
Sounds alright.
kayDUB
YIp, thats the one I used when I wasn't micing my old valvestate.
Enjoy!
kayDUB
If i remeber correctly the signal was quite loud, so best keep the gain setting on the mixer down so it doesn't clip.
Oh ja, and you it doesn't mute the amps speaker like some other amps!
JK
its cool that it doesn't mute it. I can stick a cable into the micro phone to mute it apparently. Is the sound level completely adjusted on the PA system (other than the gain)?
kayDUB
yeah, you can still use it as a stage monitor! ?
the amp sends a line level signal to the PA which isn't influenced by the volume on the amp. (IIRC)
wait, now i get ur question... ? the eq and gain (dist) is set on the amp, but then the PA usually has a "gain" dial (think channel input level, not dist!) to adjust the level of the incoming signal. Then if the PA has an EQ, you can EQ it from the PA aswell.
Hope it makes sense and helps!
Neps
JK.. Just one question.. Why would you want to DI out of your amp? In my experience, even though the manufacturer states that the Line Out does emulate the Speaker output, it never does.. They tend to be VERY bass light.
If it's because the FOH guy wants to control the guitar from there in a small venue, I'll rather keep the amp unmiced, and then just work with the guitarist to get a good level setting during sound check. In some venues in Jo'Burg I dont even take mic's along to mic the amps. I'll have kick coming through the PA, and the Vocals and keys (if there are any), and then start getting the amp level to match whats going on at FOH. It makes for a cleaner, less muddy mix. Louder isn't always better. And yes, this is a guitar forum, but us sound guys (or most of us atleast) wont want mixes to be too loud. Cause if it is, people get irritated, you want it loud enough to have a nice evening, but not so loud that everyone goes home thinking 'did I listen to metal or blues?'
TomCat
The AVT-20 is a relatively small amp so DI out to the PA would make sense.
As Neps has said.....The line out usually does not sound as good as mic'ing (usually Thin and Bass light). Anyway try it out and see how close it is to what you hear coming out of the Amplifier's loudspeaker.
For me Mic'ing the amp nearly always sounds better. Good old SM57 and away we go.......... 8)
kayDUB
While all the soundguys have there attention here... ?
I tend to find that you get a more evenly distributed sound when the amp is miced and going through the PA, even tho it is a small venue? i.e. the mix is evenly distributed in the venue, so some people don't get more guitar (and less of other instruments) and vice versa.
Thoughts?
AlanRatcliffe
kayDUB wrote:
I tend to find that you get a more evenly distributed sound when the amp is miced and going through the PA, even tho it is a small venue? i.e. the mix is evenly distributed in the venue, so some people don't get more guitar (and less of other instruments) and vice versa.
Always - even if the guitar amp is loud enough to carry, it's better to turn it down a notch and add a touch in with the PA, just for the coverage. Guitar speakers tend to beam the high frequencies directly out in front of the amp and little to the sides, so even just adding a bit of high frequency from the guitar into the PA helps tremendously with getting a more consistent sound throughout the room.
Neps
I love micing up an amp. But there comes a time in certain venues that I'd rather just have the amp by itself.. A prime example in Jo'Burg is The Bo and Back2Basix. Those acoustics are so bad in there, and the PA is shoddy! And getting a guitarist to turn DOWN the amp is going to be a bigger feat than crossing the Red Sea.
I did a gig a few years ago in Picasos in Potch where the seating arrangement was VERY weird. So I had to decide 'give bad sound to all, or make the 'stage' area sound good', I went with the latter and it was all done with no mic's on the guitar amps. The 'pool table' side of the venue got a mix but I mixed that out lower than the rest of the venue, just as a filler and it worked like a charm.
But then again, I mix a way lot softer than most guys do, and like the idea that people can still have a conversation (even if they have to talk a bit louder),l as opposed to going totally deaf.
But it all comes down to VENUE, MUSIC STYLE and how deaf your engineer is..
kayDUB
Neps wrote:
And getting a guitarist to turn DOWN the amp is going to be a bigger feat than crossing the Red Sea.
lol, IIRC crossing the red sea was pretty easy, they just walked right through!
AlanRatcliffe
kayDUB wrote:
lol, IIRC crossing the red sea was pretty easy, they just walked right through!
They had a good engineer. Look what happened later when they pissed him off...
CDee
Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
kayDUB wrote:
lol, IIRC crossing the red sea was pretty easy, they just walked right through!
They had a good engineer. Look what happened later when they pissed him off...
Stuck doing dodgy bar gigs for 40 years... ?
AlanRatcliffe
Worse - it was a dry area ? More difficult to get the crowd going...
TomCat
Neps wrote:
I love micing up an amp. But there comes a time in certain venues that I'd rather just have the amp by itself.. A prime example in Jo'Burg is The Bo and Back2Basix. Those acoustics are so bad in there, and the PA is shoddy!
Back2Basix....interesting place......I know EXACTLY what you mean........
