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Good Day All,

Since the Guitar Talk Anthem Challenge got cluttered with this topic, I've decided to open a discussion for it.
Ps. Using a garage days day to set up a foundation for a song might help start progress?

The Guitar Talk Collaboration!

Agenda to be discussed:

The How?
The What?
The Who?
The Goal?

Let The Games Begin!

Yeah, let's do this.

I like this idea:

ScottyDogg Alternatively, we could do a song where like @RodneyVikens suggested, have a producer that can guide songwriting towards a goal of a particular genre and BPM we've decided on (also by poll) and each person is assigned a part to write (e.g. intro, verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge, solo, outro, verse leads, chorus leads etc., drums, bass lyrics and vox) based on a random number generator selection. We'd just have to do this quite linearly for some level of songwriting consistency (i.e. Intro is written by the relevant person, then the verse person writes the verses based on having heard the intro part and so on)

In approach 2, the Producer can be in charge of ensuring consistency and providing feedback on parts where he/she might feel minor changes would suit the song better


      To continue from the GuitarTalk Anthem Voting:
      ScottyDogg: Above a simple rock/metal thing with chords randomly picked and arranged.
      Took me less than five minutes to figure out what sound I liked and another ten for the different real instrument patches and a tad of tweaking on depth to emphasize the bass and tops. Simply a demonstration of the ease of BIAB and I believe that Garage Band may have the same ease of work flow.

      The idea was to get the Bass and drums, the other instruments were added to hear how the Bass and Drums would fit in the mix.

      Disclaimer: This demo is not in any way intended as an idea or to influence anyone on this topic. Merely a point of demonstration??? and does not, as far as I know represent any copyrighted song.

      I dont typically use vst except for drums.
      Scottydog.. your drums sounded epic in your track.. also vst? Also the panning was awesome.

      Its a set from Band in a box called heavy rock. Thanks for the comment Claudio. Panning is essential to create space

      Yeh i struggle with panning drums. Also. Anytime i double track drums the cymbals sound all out of whack.

        guidothepimmp I use a Kontakt library called Getgood Drums Modern and Massive (it’s produced by a couple of the guys from Periphery)

        So it’s sorta auto panned by default but the basic concept is that you’d either pan audience perspective or drummer perspective.

        For drummer perspective you’d pan the HH to the left (maybe 45), Tom one to maybe 30 left, Tom 2 closer to centre but still left, Floor Tom to 20 or so right and if you have a second floor Tom would be more to the right. Basically try visualize sitting behind a kit and picture where sounds should fit.

        Obviously audience perspective is the same concept but reversed. It makes no sense to me to pan audience perspective cause I think it sounds weird.

        A lot of the drum sound comes from room mics and overheads (as well as parallel compression and parallel verb) and not just the drum shells. These all add the extra ambience that make drums sound huge.

        Depending on how dense a mix is, I might also add an already processed kick or snare sound (e.g. Drumforge Drumshotz if you’re interested). So I’ll take a copy of say the snare, add a hectic gate to it and have that gate trigger a midi note for every transient then those midi notes trigger the sample to play. On a dense mix, this can really help with keeping the snare and/or kick super powerful while still letting everything else shine.

        It’s not only number of tracks that affect how dense a mix is, it’s also all the frequencies that come together. So in my submission, I didn’t use samples in spite of having quad tracked guitars in places but when mixing @RodneyVikens track, I found myself needing to use a snare sample. Nothing wrong either way, just depends per production

          ScottyDogg just a note, for clarity on why I don’t like audience perspective - drums are fairly closely clustered together so if you’re in the audience, you wouldn’t ever hear a high hat 45 degrees to your right, all drum pieces are directly ahead of you.

          From a drummers perspective, much closer to the kit, that’s where you’d hear drum pieces coming from different angles depending on location

          So I think it's pretty dumb to go audience perspective and have it sound like the drum pieces are spread all over the room lol

            We should be able to organize an actual drummer to record this song or at least the final version of it?

            RCVN We can do - I just don't really know anyone with a decent recording set up ready to go but if anyone else does, that would be cool

              Yeh i agree.. recording a live drummer is hectic.
              1. Dead room
              2. Tuned drums
              3. Tight drummer
              4. Drums are micced
              5. Hooked up to daw

              And im sure im missing a few things too ?

                Or an electronic kit. Wont get the sound but you'll have a live performance.

                Yeti You can get the sound - if recording a drummer on an ekit, I'd use midi and with that midi can use the same drum library that I did for my submission. I absolutely would not use the built in ekit sounds

                  ScottyDogg i assume you bought the vst package. Thabks for putting me onto it. Im seriously thinking of putting iut the 1000ront to get the drum vsts and kontakt. They sound awesome and have drum samples for rockier kinda tunes.. which i cannot get from my current vst. Just checking how easy it is to use. Im tech challenged.. so just want to make sure i can get it working on cubase

                    guidothepimmp There are some free drums VSTs you can play around with (I can't think of any offhand at the moment)

                    So Misha Mansoor, one of the founders of GetGood Drums, uses Cubase. I found routing in Kontakt to be quite challenging in Studio One but not sure how tough it is in Cubase. Here's a youtube vid from the GGD channel showing how to do the routing:

                      Thanks. Yeh i currently use powerdrum mt and there is another one i have cant, remember the name.
                      Thanks for the link

                      I have couple of drum vsts will list them this afternoon. One is the MTDrummer and Drummica from Kontact. Cant remember the other and off course, BIAB drumstyles

                        guidothepimmp so rather than sploshing dosh on yet another drum plug in. Im going ro soend some timw learning how to eq he drums. Spent time this weekend with power drummer and with kit se and groove agent. All of them have full on mix consoles with compressors etc. After checking youtube.. i learnt a couple of things that already improved the sound significantly. So much to learn and so little time. Should be fun though. I just need to keep my frustration with slow going in check 1?