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http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-other/blouberg/gibson-les-paul-+-r15000/1001238090670910052604109

This guys is actually having a bit of a flame-war regarding this one...

Some of the things I pointed out to him:
  • Volume/Tone controls not symmetrical
  • Fret-binding not quite right
AND THE DOOZY:
According to Gibson, the "cutaway" range has only 2 Volume/Ton controls (push-pull) and the selector is within the grouping!
See :

Gibson

I offered him R2500 ?
    Gibson Les Paul Special Double Cut Left hand 2004, I thinks that ad is legit. (well the picture is)



    it's Gibson Les Paul "Special" Double Cut not "classic"?
      This guitar (although it should have been a 2004) points according to the serial number to a 2006...

      just saying.

      ps - the one thing that gets me is according to Gibson, the pots are suppose to symmetrical, not in this case...
        Well for the record I have decided to buy a Cheap Chinese guitar via DHgate to see what the fuss is all about.

        If its a complete lemon, I will chainsaw it and publish the video for laughs ....

        Should it be usable or comparable to a SE or Epi I will use it in my home studio and tell my grandchildren how people get ripped by big US brands. ☹

        But I don't have to tell you all that.... cause you already know....
          I am thinking of buying this one. Do you guys think it is a fake or a good copy:
            ps:
            The worst of all is, I went to MarshallMusic and had a look at some of the Gibsons they stock and they look very poorly made...

            (just saying)
              Attila Barath wrote: Well for the record I have decided to buy a Cheap Chinese guitar via DHgate to see what the fuss is all about.
              A Chibson? I've played a LP Chibson and it was good - better than a Mccoy LP studio imho. Though that particular one had been to Foster & had a bunch of $ thrown at it (toneriders, CTS pots, fretwork, etc...).
                thats my take as well V8 is the wood structure is good then replacing the tuners, pickups and stuff is the easy part ....

                I mean really What else is there.......


                PS was that the REAL Mccoy ?
                  I do have some "inside info" regarding these "Chibson's":

                  Gibson (to save money) outsourced the making of the bodies of all Les Pauls for at least 12 years to the Chinese. They sent them then to USA without hardware to be assembled and "made in USA" stamped. Gibson then, on huge uprising in their factories, took the industry back to the USA, but lost all the skill into China. Currently, most of the "main-stream-copies" are being made by ex-Gibson employees and sold as copies. (See PRS, Pevey, Epiphone, LTD, ART and many more...)

                  Now, regarding China, if you get to the right factory, and they are getting better by the day, you can have an original structured with your own inlays and markings. This will also be considered a "copy", but from the original skilled makers.

                  If you do, however, order from aliexpress, chances are you are ordering from the original skilled Gibson makers. Stamping the guitar with a Gibson stamp is just a nail in the coffin ?

                  It is actually getting so that even USA gets fooled by rip-off copies! The last straw is you can order a Chibson, change ALL the hardware and replace the truss-rod and you will have a better made guitar than USA could ever manufacture. (At a fraction of the price!) As a matter of fact, some of the biggest names in main-stream music swears by Chibson, as the replacement-value suits pockets everywhere!

                  I was in a second-hand dealer shop over the weekend and compared a Chibson to a brand new Gibson and guess what? Better made guitar! Even comparing Epiphone against Gibson brings a tear in my eye...

                  As a last point: I am not defending cheap imitations, rather stating facts. If you can not hear the difference, nor see the difference, nor feel the difference, is it really different?

                  Just my 10c
                  ps - screaming at me after this post just makes me feel I do have a point ?
                    cyber7 wrote: I do have some "inside info" regarding these "Chibson's":

                    Gibson (to save money) outsourced the making of the bodies of all Les Pauls for at least 12 years to the Chinese. They sent them then to USA without hardware to be assembled and "made in USA" stamped. Gibson then, on huge uprising in their factories, took the industry back to the USA, but lost all the skill into China. Currently, most of the "main-stream-copies" are being made by ex-Gibson employees and sold as copies. (See PRS, Pevey, Epiphone, LTD, ART and many more...)

                    Now, regarding China, if you get to the right factory, and they are getting better by the day, you can have an original structured with your own inlays and markings. This will also be considered a "copy", but from the original skilled makers.

                    If you do, however, order from aliexpress, chances are you are ordering from the original skilled Gibson makers. Stamping the guitar with a Gibson stamp is just a nail in the coffin ?

                    It is actually getting so that even USA gets fooled by rip-off copies! The last straw is you can order a Chibson, change ALL the hardware and replace the truss-rod and you will have a better made guitar than USA could ever manufacture. (At a fraction of the price!) As a matter of fact, some of the biggest names in main-stream music swears by Chibson, as the replacement-value suits pockets everywhere!

                    I was in a second-hand dealer shop over the weekend and compared a Chibson to a brand new Gibson and guess what? Better made guitar! Even comparing Epiphone against Gibson brings a tear in my eye...

                    As a last point: I am not defending cheap imitations, rather stating facts. If you can not hear the difference, nor see the difference, nor feel the difference, is it really different?

                    Just my 10c
                    ps - screaming at me after this post just makes me feel I do have a point ?
                    Yeah. Telling you that you've posted a bunch of totally ubsubstantiated rumours sucked out of the internet's thumb is clearly proof that it's all true. Stating "facts." Sure. Also, you know the world is going to end in 2012? The internet told me.
                      People know me on this forum for criticising Gibson's policies and quality. That doesn't mean that I make crap up or believe every absurd rumour. Gibson's made a lot of mistakes. But they've never ceased production in the USA. They've never manufactured guitars with "Gibson" as the headstock logo anywhere but the USA, and the Chinese fakes are pieces of over-priced crap.

                      "Over-priced?! How can they be? They're super-cheap!" Yes. But they're bargain basement rubbish that you pay more for so you can pretend to all your mates that you're swank and own a Gibson. You can get a 2nd hand Epi for close to the price which is way better. But then you wouldn't have the bragging 'rights' for your fake Gibson.

                      Here's a fake that was stripped by a reputable member of Mylespaul:



                      So much better than a Gibson. Look at the texture of that gaping knot-hole. Class.

                      But buy one. It won't be your fault at all when it somehow ends up on the market through theft, or after you die, and some hopeful kid blows R8k on a guitar worth R1,000 on a good day.
                        I really need to recalibrate my troll-dar, lol ?
                          Attila Barath wrote: thats my take as well V8 is the wood structure is good then replacing the tuners, pickups and stuff is the easy part ....

                          I mean really What else is there.......


                          PS was that the REAL Mccoy ?
                          It was a Gibson LP Studio.

                          Bear in mind the Chibson had many hours & $ (At least 2k) spent on it before we compared it - E.g. when I looked under the hood, I was blown away by Foster's immaculate wiring job (inc treble bleed mod) - that was a work of art.

                          So for shit's n giggles we did a completely non-scientific comparison : Chibson, Gibson LP Studio, Gibson LP Custom & Zakk Wylde LP Epiphone. The studio was the least enjoyed, the Chibson and Zakk Wylde were around equally enjoyed and the LP Custom was the most enjoyed - but only by a slim margin and not by all - some had the Chibson as a preference.

                          Unless you were a LP anorak afficinado, you'd not have known the difference. And that's the problem...when it comes to re-sale, no-body wants to get ripped off paying for the real deal and getting a fake - no matter how nicely it plays. Of course, it's illegal to sell one, even advertised as a fake (is it illegal to knowingly own one - I'd guess so?).

                          Would I do it? Nah, not my style. I recently played a Epi LP which was as sweet a LP as I've yet tried (R3500 2nd hand) This particular one killed the studio and I reckon I'd have preferred it to the Chibson too in a A/B comparison.

                          YMMW!
                            Regarding the LP with the 'knot' - I quite like it ?
                              cyber7 wrote: "If" I had a fake, is it illegal? YES, NO, maybe...
                              The Act prohibits dealing in counterfeit goods through:

                              being in possession of or controlling counterfeit goods;
                              making counterfeit goods;
                              selling, hiring, bartering, exchanging or offering counterfeit goods;
                              exhibiting or distributing counterfeit goods, for trade purposes, or in any prejudicial way;
                              importing or exporting in, out or through SA; or
                              disposing of counterfeit goods.
                              Guess that's clear then - it's illegal in every way. But enforcing this law on an individual & his guitar would be highly improbable. I guess that would be the aim of this act is counter any medium to large scale trading in fake items...though you'll always be able to find a dodgy Chelsea FC shirt at a flea market ?
                                cyber7 wrote: ps - regarding the "outsourcing" ...
                                http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=369664
                                ???
                                So close, yet so far. They nearly got it right....

                                Some companies have caught up on the amazing benefits that cryogenic treatment have on materials used for sound reproduction. Strings, pick-ups, you name it. The theory is that by exposing the material to prolonged periods of extreme cold the molecular structure of the material will change, allowing the molecules to line up more efficiently and vibrate in a uniform way, greatly increasing the dynamic output - which in turn leads to better tone.

                                Some makers are only picking up on this now, but the clever folks at Gibson stumbled onto this quite some time ago when they noticed guitars built during the coldest winter weeks sounded better than the ones built in the hot summer months. Never shy of experimenting - as revolutionary designs like the Marauder, Firebird X and mandatory auto tuners on all their guitars show - they began working on a plan on how they can build large amounts of instruments at consistently sub-zero temperatures. Freezers were found to be impractical because of the size needed to house a workshop and the worker's union refusing to let their members be exposed to such severe working conditions. Another plan had to be made, and this is where fate stepped in and Gibson's prayers were answered.
                                While waiting for a delivery of Christmas stock to be loaded onto a carrier sled bound for the North pole, the Elvish driver started talking to one of the engineers and happened to mention that with most products no longer being built in their North Pole factory but bought in from third parties (like this Gibson shipment), their production plant is just standing there unused for large periods of the year. A fierce debate raged in the next management meeting, with some members pleading that they make use of the polar facility and it's cheap labour and others saying it would be unethical to build a guitar somewhere else and put a Made in U.S.A stamp on it. The deadlock was finally broken when a junior manager in their procurement division brought forward the idea that since Santa and his elvish factory has never formally been discovered, nobody yet as any legal ownership of it and there is nothing prohibiting them from declaring the location as American soil. Eventually calls were made, hands were shook and contracts were signed.

                                And to this day, we still have guitars being built for Gibson in an overseas plant - albeit not the one the loons on the interwebs would like us to think it is.

                                True story. I heard it from a guy....

                                  HAHAHA - Trololololo-lo-lo-lolo!
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