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  • The Paul Bothner sponsored July Challenge - Category 3 [VOTE]

Here is the "Advanced" group [b][Category 3][/b]. One vote each.

Try be tactful when commenting if you have submitted a track, you welcome to 'crit' your track as if you are an objective 3rd party to throw off the scent of the others Just try to the best of your ability to not give away too much.

[b]Gilmour [/b]"Reverse Comp 9000" http://guitarforum.co.za/gfsacomps/mp3s/Gilmour.mp3

[b]Buckingham [/b]"Fremch Kisses" http://guitarforum.co.za/gfsacomps/mp3s/Buckingham.mp3

[i]The inspiration for this track was "I wonder if I could do anything with the chords of Hotel California backwards"? (I like playing games of what if), so I wrote them down and reversed them. I had to change a couple to make a logical progression. I next decided that they needed to be jazzed up, then I played the progression over and over until I had the melody (which I wrote down). I decided on a smooth jazz swing 16ths feel. This took one evening. Arranging it took a lot longer, I wanted non obvious modulations. I also wrote an intro, which has nothing to do with Hotel California. When I was more of less satisfied I made a backing track using Band In A Box with a Smooth Jazz patch for the verse, and switching to a Reggae patch in the chorus to make it more interesting. After I'd recorded the guitar, I decided it needed to be in harmony so recorded the second part. Then I played the solo, which, I'm happy to say was the first take. I thought there might be a bit too much of one guitar sound, so I put the verse part of the solo through a plug-in, and the chorus part I added some distortion. I used Sonar for all the recording and audio editing. The guitar is a 1994 Fender Strat, with Kinman Traditional Mk II pups with K9, Calaham bridge block and saddles and Gotoh locking tuners played through a Line6 Toneport, using a patch in Pod Farm II that I made from scratch. I used the neck pup throughout. Originally the track was longer, but I couldn't load it as an attachment, so had to do some audio editing ;-)[/i]

[b]Sumlin [/b]"Time Space" http://guitarforum.co.za/gfsacomps/mp3s/Sumlin.mp3

[i]The song title is 'Time Space', recorded at my studio for an EP I completed.[/i]


(old forum) Poll Results: Please Vote

  • Gilmour: 4
  • Buckingham: 4
  • Sumlin: 3
    These tracks all sounded awesome!! But, other than Buckingham (because of the description) I couldn't really figure out the backwards vibe?

    Quality of all the tracks is tops though!
      There was lots of reverse going on in Gilmour from what I could hear:

      0:00 - 0:03 | reverse swooshing sounds (classic riser technique)

      0:03 - 0:19 | reversed guitar lead over the heavy riff

      0:20 - 0:28 | pretty much sounds like the entire track has been reversed. A few reversed sound effects have been added, and gives the sense that the track is being 're-wound'.

      I won't go through the rest of the track...

      The solo is possibly played normally, but perhaps Gilmour reversed the composition, not the sound itself. Sounds like there were a number of other reversed elements, this track seemed closest to the brief to me.

      Sumlin

      There's a reversed lead coming from the right channel and I think the pad playing throughout is reversed (maybe?).

      There may be some subtle techniques I'm not picking up on, but the above is the bulk that I could identify.

      Buckingham was an enjoyable listen, and I appreciate the thought and calculation that went into the entry. It was however, way too long, so I marked it down for that.

      I think Gilmour nailed it 8) there was excellent use of the reversed effect in a number of ways, and it was done imaginatively and creatively. Good job.
        doc-phil wrote: There was lots of reverse going on in Gilmour from what I could hear:

        0:00 - 0:03 | reverse swooshing sounds (classic riser technique)

        0:03 - 0:19 | reversed guitar lead over the heavy riff

        0:20 - 0:28 | pretty much sounds like the entire track has been reversed. A few reversed sound effects have been added, and gives the sense that the track is being 're-wound'.

        I won't go through the rest of the track...

        The solo is possibly played normally, but perhaps Gilmour reversed the composition, not the sound itself. Sounds like there were a number of other reversed elements, this track seemed closest to the brief to me.

        Sumlin

        There's a reversed lead coming from the right channel and I think the pad playing throughout is reversed (maybe?).

        There may be some subtle techniques I'm not picking up on, but the above is the bulk that I could identify.

        Buckingham was an enjoyable listen, and I appreciate the thought and calculation that went into the entry. It was however, way too long, so I marked it down for that.

        I think Gilmour nailed it 8) there was excellent use of the reversed effect in a number of ways, and it was done imaginatively and creatively. Good job.
        I relistened with your comments opened, I hear it better now! I do think these tracks help with a lil explanation otherwise it sounds like strings/pads, not a guitar! ? My ears are pretty bad at distinguishing sounds ?
          6 days later
          Gilmour
          This felt like the theme song to an action movie or FPS game... I envisioned a helicopter rising up from behind buildings and strafing a bunch of dudes during the heavy palm muted alternate picking (heavy riff part). The use of reverse techniques was subtle but awesome! I really dig the vibe of this song.

          Buckingham
          This song was pretty cool and I liked the interpretation of the brief. This song reminds me of a bar/lounge feel and brought back fond memories of a boat cruise I took a few years ago :'( . It was a tad long though.

          Sumlin
          This song made me think of Metallica's nothing else matters in the beginning. It sounded like there were little "swells" or something that were played with either a reversed delay or were reversed in production.

          These entries were awesome!!! So hard to decide. I'll have to go with my heart.
            Well done Gentlemen! 3 Excellent entries & all quite different, great fun listening, thank you.

            Just my 0.02c :

            Gilmour - Excellent production/mix as usual...Guits reminded me a bit of Carcass, never a bad thing. Really dug the way you got the reversed drums @ 21s to work, sounded great!

            Buckingham - Owwwwwwww, this track. Heish, I really liked it. Arrangement & composition, 101% spot on. Guitar tone very much to my liking. Perhaps a touch long (3:20), but I was entertained throughout so I couldn't mark you down. My only crits - when I stuck the headphones on, the kick drum didn't sound so good to me in the verses (clipping?) and the snare in the reggae section was a bit lofi/flat for my taste (compared to the rest of the track). A big thank you for the explanation w/entry - added to the listening/learning experience.

            Sumlin - Nyyyycccee, the way the steel string guit(s) cuts through everything - ahhh, liked that lots. Everything worked together, tasteful use of the pads & reversed guit in the background.
              Who were the entrants?

              I assume mixerboy was Gilmour.
                doc-phil wrote: Who were the entrants?

                I assume mixerboy was Gilmour.
                You see, this double blind vote thing doesn't work when you can identify the entrant by his song ? - Mixerboy, you need to change your style haha

                Entrants are:

                Gilmour - Mixerboy
                Buckingham - bruciekins
                Sumlin - WEM

                Mixerboy - the quality of your recordings never cease to amaze me, although if I can be honest with you, I was more impressed with the recording quality than the backwardness. I heard a few swells, and backward moments, but this song struck me more as a full on metal track. Dude, I must say, you are an excellent guitarist, i loved the soloing. You need to put your material on some music library site where it can be used for movies and shows.

                bruciekins - I really enjoyed this, but had it not been for your blurb, I would not have identified the backwardness of your track. I really love jazz, and for me, you just soothed my soul. You too are an excellent guitarist, you really got that feeling spot on. My main crit was that the song was too long. I thought to myself a few times, how long is this song, and that is not something that a listener should be thinking about. So because this is the Advanced category, I feel that must weigh against you. There were also a few parts where your song, in a kind of schizophrenic manner, changed genre, that didn't gel well with me, although you pulled it off very well, and I can appreciate what you were doing, as a matter of personal taste, I wasn't mad about all the different genre's.

                WEM - What a beautiful track. This one was the most backwards for me, although that was mainly the secondary guitar that was making it feel backwards. The backwardsness wasn't heavily emphasised, but still, it was there, and I could hear and feel it without trying hard, so you would have gotten my vote, unfortunately, my vote was too late ☹ This song reminded me of one of those new age meditation songs, it put me in a relaxed state haha. The synths sounded somewhat too synthetic, but then again, half those new age stuff sound even worse (not that i'm saying yours sounded bad, it didn't, it worked well, but it was obvious that it was synth). So my only small gripe, was that the backwardness wasn't in your face, but maybe that's why this track is as good as it is, you didn't force it on us.

                Ok well I see we have a tie, so let me think about this for a little bit, and I'll let you know of the outcome.
                  So, for mine, the backwards stuff was basically the part that sounds like "synth" strings over the riff right as it starts, it's just a clean guitar part where I played what I wanted then reversed that to hear what I needed to play, then recorded it in reverse and reversed it so it sounded like what I started with but it swells in (sounds reversed), then at 00:20 that whole part is reversed (same technique), guitars, drums everything, then at 00:45 the main synth reverse guitar part comes in again under the solo then at 01:16 it's mostly all reverse notes and noises and fx etc over the drums.

                  Guitars were all just the usual free amp sims, drums were Metal Machine, aside from a few sound fx in the beggining the whole track is just drums, bass and guitars

                  bruciekins - After reading your take on "reverse" it actually works, I was trying the whole time to hear Hotel California in there and you can, although if you didn't write that that's what the plan was I'm not sure I would have picked it up.

                  WEM - this track was more what I initially had in mind, more trippy and laid back, using guitars in reverse as pads, trying to make them almost synth like etc.

                    Adrian Rogowski wrote: Ok well I see we have a tie, so let me think about this for a little bit, and I'll let you know of the outcome.
                    I vote for the first ever GFSA Penalty shoot-out! :?
                      Haha ya... convince us in 10 seconds or less why you should win.
                        Whoever can play Joe Satriani's "Flying in a Blue Dream" backwards wins...
                          Ok, upon consideration, it will be best if we keep it as was originally. So 2 packets per category, and as we have 2 winners in this category, it seems each of you are entitled to a pack.

                          You know the dealio - PM the relevant info (go see previous thread for what info exactly)

                          Runner up - give me your topic.
                            Mixerboy wrote: (I just learnt the main notes quick from the youtube video and then did the backtrack from the midi quick, have no idea what I was doing.......not really a Satriani fan at all, Dimebag rules all)
                            Flying in a Bru dream....hehe, nice one!

                            +1 for Dimebag, he made the sickest metal grooves (at least for me) - Cowboys from Hell - what a tune. I so wanted one of those Lighting bolt Dean ML's back in the day.
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