Simmer down please guys. Always remember music is not a competition and there is space for everyone: the three-chord-strummers; the hyper-technical practice freaks; and the showmen. Anyone who gets punters off their asses, out to shows and paying respectable entrance fees is doing us all good in the long run.

And hey... What's wrong with keyboard guitar? As resident MIDIguitarist I take umbrage. ?

IceCreamMan wrote: to say one is 100 times better is illogical.

Yeah that's true. I really said 100X because it was so blatantly inaccurate and so out my butt that I felt it would be seen for what it is......which is just so say that Mayer is way better. And also to try point out really how good he is, because he is very underrated. And quite honestly, while there is no point saying such a thing to a person's face, I am certain DP would agree. And if a fan of mine posted that HighwayChile was as good as.....Robben Ford say...... and someone came on and said no way Robben Ford will wipe his butt with Highway Chile any day of the week........I might feel a certain tinge of something...LOL.....but I'd know it to be the truth. Actually stuff like that makes me want to practice harder. Or at least try to come up with some skillful treachery ....... you know, if I can't dazzle them with brilliance, I'd try baffle them with bullshit.

Anyway....... I'm sorry if this got a tickle out of hand because of anything I said. I meant no slag against DP, I know nothing about him other than those video's which to me don't really showcase him in the best light. But still, I suppose I should have worded that differently or just not said it.

He seems like an interesting player and I am sure his live shows are cool. He has an excellent voice and a really nice tone. I'm sure he's a nice guy to boot. I tried to check out his new album on iTunes but I don't see it yet.

Anyway....no worries.

Take care ICM.

Mayer and Robben Ford make all of us look like toddlers in a sandpit. .... .... just saying.

And quite honestly, while there is no point saying such a thing to a person's face, I am certain DP would agree.

I agree with this highway... While the bassist was getting his Dan autographs in the queue... one unfortunate ill-informed boy made a comment next to me that Dan is better than Hendrix. I had to look at this thing and as I did, he asked me if I agree. ... ... ... I may not have been very nice.

Justin Puber can only really be compared to other guys doing the same thing, so a small time S.A version of Justin PIeber doing his thing at Roxy's (if it's till even going) is not as good/on the same level as the main thing.

No one has really said on this thread that Dan Patlansky SUCKS, he doesn't, technically he's quite good, just not very original at all.

The main test would always be if SRV or John Mayer where playing a gig in your neighbourhood and at the same time so was Dan Patlan, who would you pay to go see.

Keytarists:

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To actually offer some advice on the OP, what would you want, to go up on stage and have people say: "oh look at this guy and his band trying to be like Dan Patlansky" or "hey check out this guy and his band they're pretty good"

If you go the route the singer wants you're just going to come off looking like an imitation band...........(an imitation of an imitation).

Would be like me starting up a band doing parlotones type stuff.


ALWAYS do your own thing.

majestikc wrote: The main test would always be if SRV or John Mayer where playing a gig in your neighbourhood and at the same time so was Dan Patlan, who would you pay to go see.

It'd be Mayer. He's famous. There are many musicians who are superb but not famous. Fame sells tickets.

The less famous artists will always have their fans, and the hard core will support them, but most people will be off to the Dome to see John Mayer.

majestikc wrote: To actually offer some advice on the OP, what would you want, to go up on stage and have people say: "oh look at this guy and his band trying to be like Dan Patlansky" or "hey check out this guy and his band they're pretty good"

If you go the route the singer wants you're just going to come off looking like an imitation band...........(an imitation of an imitation).

Would be like me starting up a band doing parlotones type stuff.


ALWAYS do your own thing.

even if it's crappy stuff ? :? Then rather not hey..... Way too many times I've heard a bloke or band doing their "own stuff"...for an audience of 10 regulars in the pub...maybe satisfying for the performer but not always for the audience.

Late reader to this poll, also never heard Dan P until today! So I have no prejudice. I would say even the clips posted suggested that he certainly is a good guitarist etc etc.

I just wanted to say I don't personally get all the John Mayer fuss. He is a great singer/songwriter, ofcourse!, but as a guitarist he just sounds like someone trying very very hard to be a 'great'. I simply don't get him or his tones. And I wouldn't personally put him in the same category as people like Robben Ford either!

In a less good mood I could probably even come out with a statement like "Robben is 100x better than JM" (not having a go at you Highway!).

Hey but thats the great thing about democracy - the right to have your own opinion !

Ag at the end of the day just be true to yourself and let others worry about themselves and their own integrity!

Vic wrote:

majestikc wrote: To actually offer some advice on the OP, what would you want, to go up on stage and have people say: "oh look at this guy and his band trying to be like Dan Patlansky" or "hey check out this guy and his band they're pretty good"

If you go the route the singer wants you're just going to come off looking like an imitation band...........(an imitation of an imitation).

Would be like me starting up a band doing parlotones type stuff.


ALWAYS do your own thing.

even if it's crappy stuff ? :? Then rather not hey..... Way too many times I've heard a bloke or band doing their "own stuff"...for an audience of 10 regulars in the pub...maybe satisfying for the performer but not always for the audience.

Taken for granted that it would HOPEFULLY be good stuff, but actually you're right, in this case I WOULD rather go watch Dan (or any other guy/band) doing something good, even if it's not "original" over the usual abominortion (a mix of abortion and abomination) band doing there thing.

majestikc wrote:

Vic wrote:

majestikc wrote: To actually offer some advice on the OP, what would you want, to go up on stage and have people say: "oh look at this guy and his band trying to be like Dan Patlansky" or "hey check out this guy and his band they're pretty good"

If you go the route the singer wants you're just going to come off looking like an imitation band...........(an imitation of an imitation).

Would be like me starting up a band doing parlotones type stuff.


ALWAYS do your own thing.

even if it's crappy stuff ? :? Then rather not hey..... Way too many times I've heard a bloke or band doing their "own stuff"...for an audience of 10 regulars in the pub...maybe satisfying for the performer but not always for the audience.

Taken for granted that it would HOPEFULLY be good stuff, but actually you're right, in this case I WOULD rather go watch Dan (or any other guy/band) doing something good, even if it's not "original" over the usual abominortion (a mix of abortion and abomination) band doing there thing.

The reason why I asked the question is merely to say that "original" is not necessarily "good". And it's really only us musos who'd care to watch a band or soloist because it's original (and good). The broad public don't care too much...they wanna have a good time..... So often a good performance is drowned out by beer drinking loud mouths doing their own thing.

If you have not seen SRV live.......you have no idea of the level of intensity and power. I have seen SRV several times and Mayer also.

JM came and hung out with us on set for a day as he was a huge fan of our show. We dressed him up in CTU officer garb and gave him a prop Beretta 92F and a belt rig. He was cruising around the set and coming out from cover and fake shooting at imaginary bad guys. It was a lot of fun. Of all the guests we had, he was the best of the lot. Anyway, as a token of his appreciation he sat down and played a set of his songs off his hit album, on a Martin JM Signature model which he then presented to Kiefer Sutherland.

SRV was truly something. I was in a band that was managed by SRV's management company, Strike Force. One of the girls that worked there asked me if I wanted to meet Stevie. "Nah not really........" ? ? Are you kidding me? So she took me to see him play at The Wiltern in Los Angeles. I think Roy Buchanan opened. Afterwards we went backstage to courtesy. Well SRV was in his dressing room with Stevie Wonder for the longest time. After a while I got tired of being in the same room with all the leeches wanting to get a piece of him and I was starting to feel like a groupie. I said same to Ginny and told her that I would just meet him another day. I'm going to have to wait a while longer.

If only I had stayed.

I heard later that SRV was going straight and that Stevie Wonder had locked the two of them in there to keep SRV away from all the temptation out in courtesy......the booze and all the blood suckers and energy vampires, some waiting to hand him dope.

Anyway.

Here are a couple pics I shot of JM when he was asked up to play by Jeff Beck at The El Rey in LA some years back. "Superstition" I think.



And the man of course.........



Joss Stone also came up....... mmhmmm!



Tal Wilkenfeld on bass....





Sorry to hijack Evo.......Mayer came up.....I couldn't resist.

majestikc wrote: This sums up the whole thread:.................................(not quite but it's funny anyway)

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I just want to say that until I can do that 'hair flip manoeuvre' I can't call myself a true guitarist ? ? :? ? :roflmao:

"You lucky bastard.... You leucky leucky bastard. Oh how I dream of being spat in the face by a centurion. Thats favouritism that is."

Nice one Highway. Don't worry bout the hijack.. I see it as awesomeness... especially with that fine Joss Stone there... yummy. Oh and little Tal, yummy. Not to mention my favourite Beck.

Now, if JM was asked to play by Beck... that is one of the biggest honours ever.. in my mind.

We have some excellent muscicians in ZA and some excellent guitarists too. It irks me that we seem to find satisfaction in dissing them or thinking that they are somehow inferior to international artists...Me, i prefer spending 100 to see a local guy than 1000 to see some overblwon international act.

Dan is one of those local guys who need look up to no one , he is that good at what he does. LEts support him and if you thkn he is missign a trick ,chat to him he is approachable. He could quite easily share the stage with Beck et al and just because he has not does not mean he would not be up to it.

And this goes for a number of our local guys, Frost has opened for the Rolling Stones in Spain as a matter of interest, i bet not many knew that. I chatted to him on the morning he had to leave for spain, he was nervous abuot it as one would be but took the opportunity afforded to him.

I get da blicksem in when i see negative commetns about the local guys all the time , they should be cherished not torn down all the time.

One of the most entertaining guitarists i have seen in ZA would prolly not even get most of those on this forums attention... he plays crappy equiment , he emulates hendrix better than hendrix, plays gibbons like he were gibbons but "oh pooo" he aint orgiinal or his kit is crap or or or .... its a pity cos he could teach most some lessons about life, music and guitar.

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IceCreamMan wrote: Dan is one of those local guys who need look up to no one , he is that good at what he does. LEts support him and if you thkn he is missign a trick ,chat to him he is approachable. He could quite easily share the stage with Beck et al and just because he has not does not mean he would not be up to it.

I won't talk to him or anybody else I decide I don't like. I don't explain to West Life why I don't like their albums and wouldn't go to their shows if I got free tickets, taxi fare paid for, a golden circle seat and a milkshake. I also don't think he wants somebody coming up to him after a show to say "I think you suck because...."

Them's the rubs. Every performing artist should understand that they can't possibly appeal to everybody.

I'm sure that Dan Patlansky and West Life are really good guys (and, come to mention it, Justin Bieber). Which is fine and all of that, but when I say "meh" or even "I'd rather stick pins in my eyes" it means I don't want to spend my time and/or money on their music, it implies nothing about their characters.

I support the local talent that I'm interested in. Thys die Bosveldklong played in Roodepoort this weekend just gone. I didn't go. I wouldn't spend money to see Die Antwoord or several other South African artists you might name. There's no insult in any of that, they just don't float my boat. I know that a lot of GFSAers didn't go to see Tony Cox and Steve Newman when they were in Jo'burg last year (and those guys can REALLY play and that show bought massive joy to my heart).

There's several guitar players I have no interest in seeing because whilst they might be great guys and great players I simply don't see the point of what they do and it holds no attraction for me. If Joe Bonamassa came to Jo'burg I would have no trouble resisting that attraction. A lot of people would think otherwise. I'm immune to that ? I've freely paid money to see shows that I suspect would have many GFSAers running for the hills (and let me tell you, some of it was evil stuff with accordions and banjos ?).

So if somebody says to me "how can you not go see Joe Bonamassa" I can always say "and you went to see Martin Carthy when?"

It's a big musical world, and there's something for all of us. I admire people like Squonk who have broad tastes and seem to find something worthy of their attention in so many different kinds of music. I wish I had that breadth, but well.... when I was in the army my mother cried out "look at my son! He's the only one marching in step." I'm used to it by now.

What I would resist very strongly is a suggestion that SA is bereft of talent full stop. I've seen too many great shows over the years, in South Africa, by South Africans, to countenance any such suggestion.

Alan Ratcliffe wrote: True originality is far rarer than most people realise and way overrated (this coming from someone who refused to learn or play other people's music for two decades - all it did was hold me back). See the web series Everything is a Remix for details. IMO it's a must see for anyone in music.

+1 - Just watched this over the weekend, Well put together (imho) & really interesting viewing. Copy, transform and combine...

Highway Chile wrote: If you have not seen SRV live.......you have no idea of the level of intensity and power. I have seen SRV several times and Mayer also.

SRV live...WoW, I could only dream! Alas, the closest I'll ever come is the live DvD's from Montreaux festivals and 'Live Alive' - :'(

Is it just me or does there seem to be a connection in this thread between negative comments made (even in a subjective context) and guitarists who have become maybe more 'main stream' than they used to be!

Probably just me overthinking....

Dingwall wrote: Is it just me or does there seem to be a connection in this thread between negative comments made (even in a subjective context) and guitarists who have become maybe more 'main stream' than they used to be!

Probably just me overthinking....

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