The world needs MORE youtube-tokkeler-imitations like it needs a whole in the ozone, rather make good music/songs, which have pretty much become extinct, if not seriously endangered. It's all either dubstep noise or some guy trying to shred some exotic scale as fast as possible with droning unmelodic hipster indie crap in between.

majestikc wrote: The world needs MORE youtube-tokkeler-imitations like it needs a whole in the ozone, rather make good music/songs, which have pretty much become extinct, if not seriously endangered. It's all either dubstep noise or some guy trying to shred some exotic scale as fast as possible with droning unmelodic hipster indie crap in between.

There is plenty of good music around, whatever your definition of "good" is. I've had a blast the last few years, finding lots of stuff that fits in with my tastes and extending my tastes with new (to me) and interesting artists and records. Factor in the re-issues and there's a whole smorgasbord of stuff to explore.

You just won't find much of it in Look and Listen, in Musica or on the radio. But it's out there, make no mistake.

I recently got a copy of Richard Haslop's "best of 2011" article. He briefly reviews over 50 new (in that year) albums, lists about 50 more "honourable mentions", then deals with live discs and re-issues made available in that year. So that's over a 150 releases in the year. And it's not all "dubstep noise" either ? or "folk" or "world music". Nor, as it's Richard Haslop we're talking about, is it anything you're likely to see on VH-1 and MTV or hear on the radio.

Some wise words be coming from all of ya... thank you ?

I actually dont know how to take Tokai's statement... so I'll leave it for now.

Yeah ICM, I wasn't actually dissing Dan... more like the collective of how I now had to treat songs and start widdling excessively. I have told the vocalboy that I'd prefer doing it in the vein of Robben Ford or what Jeff Golub does on his "Out of the Blue" album... <--- in terms of taste and playing where its necessary in a song, as these are all instrumentals from Jeff so they don't quite count in terms of songs with lyrics... but very lyrical playing.

Luckily I haven't heard anything more of the change in music... I hope he has forgotten.

evolucian wrote:

I actually dont know how to take Tokai's statement.

What I meant was.
Dan's an exceptional blues guitarist, his fingers are part of the creation of his tone, and on top of that he's a great 'performer'.
As far as I know you're not a blues guitarist, your style is different, you most probably prefer a different flavour of guitar tone as well, so you won't sound or play like Dan...and I'm pretty sure Dan won't sound or play like you.

and while we at it, Dan playing at Tanz cafe 24/25 of may. i be going 25th ...

The last time I heard Dan, he sounded and played exactly like SRV, who in turn "borrowed" a lot from Hendrix. So not much originality there, but Dan always did what he did extremely well. However, long long ago he came an jammed with the Dogs one night. The bluesy stuff was killer, but when we wacked a Van Halen tune, he was nowhere. Different strokes for different folks I guess. He is still a great player though.

A great guitarist (any musician really) is one that doesn't, and cannot be, imitated

Eddie Van Halen sounds like no one else and no one else sounds like him so he get's my thumbs up as a "good guitarist"

50 000 Joe Satriani/Vai rippoffs, no matter how good, don't qualify............(or SRV or Al Dimeola or Yngwie or whatever whatever whatever)

True originality is far rarer than most people realise and way overrated (this coming from someone who refused to learn or play other people's music for two decades - all it did was hold me back). See the web series Everything is a Remix for details. IMO it's a must see for anyone in music.

Advances/changes in anything come from building on what has come before. We learn by imitation and advance further by "remixing" a variety of source influences.

Woe betide if you want to make original music. Take your instrument and go and live in the isolated wilderness of your choice until you forget everything you've ever heard.

So if a painter paints a half-arsed version of the Mona Lisa it's all good, and then another one comes along and paint's a version of the half-arsed version and so on and so on.

Music like painting or pretty much everything else is a craft, but we don't all have to paint landscapes the same way the whole time using the same oil based paints and the same techniques.

There is no such thing as true originality, as human beings we are all the same yet AS human beings we're all distinct, if I started dressing and talking and walking and thinking and acting like Bruce Willis what does that make me, NOT me, just some Bruce Willis wannabe............(why anybody would want to be a Bruce Willis wannabe I don't know, just using it as an example), it's kind of the same thing with music, music is music but you can go about it in your own little unique way without ripping off some other guys "voice" and "style".

(this is very general stuff, not meant to be a dig at anybody or anything)

Music is like food.
Originality = putting existing stuff together with your own little twist or twang.
Don't have to reinvent the ingredients or concept of cooking.

Wizard wrote: Music is like food.
Originality = putting existing stuff together with your own little twist or twang.
Don't have to reinvent the ingredients or concept of cooking.

Exactly, you CAN'T reinvent anything, stuff tastes good in certain combos and it's just how you combine that makes you YOU as a chef or whatever.

Often audiences get lots of flash because they demand flash.

I remember going to one of Tony Cox's international Guitar Night shows. He headliner (not Andrea Valeri, the guy who came out the year before) was clearly testing the water early on in his set. He tried a few things, including a gorgeous, slow instrumental piece that was all melody and no solo, but the audience whooped and hollered when he gave them the bling and so that's the way he steered his set from them on.

Plus there's always a bit more and a bit longer soloing when a guy is up on stage with a band pumping behind him and the audience egging him on. Richard "I play strictly for the song" Thompson gets pretty carried away sometimes and has been known to hit the 15 minute mark. On the studio records the solos are more to the point and mostly are to do with serving the song, but on stage he stretches out a lot more.

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Ok. He can play.

J. Mayer V2 I say ?

But seriously.. I've thought long and hard about this guy over the while that I've known about him. And sure, to judge him on a skill level, I don't actually have a square mm of earth to stand on, he's frikken amazing! Absolute wizard in fact. But, he's a musician/artist. And to judge him on that level.. I think he's a bit of a poser ? Originality is one thing, and that's already been taken to ground. But I just feel that its talent wasted..

On a similar note, these guys really need to stop destroying Hendrix.. ?

John Mayer is 100X the guitar player/musician this fellow is.

Evo, follow your heart man. Only take people along who really want to be on that road with you.....players who want to drive part of the way and not just sit in the back, along for the ride. These guys will bale at the first sign of it not happening soon enough for them......or if something more developed comes along. If they cannot share your vision, 86 them.

Anyone with half a bag of talent can play covers or copy someone else. I'd say see your original songs through brother.

Forget about this flavor of the day shite bro. By the time you work up a whole bunch of Patlansky sounding stuff anyway......things have moved on and there is a whole new flavor everyone is jumping up and down over, like a pack of fucking Jack Russell terriers at a window with a cat sitting behind it. Boing-Ruff, Boing-RuffRuff, Boing-Ruff. You want to try be ahead of the curve bro', not coming up in the rear picking up on the left behind scraps.

I'd say talk to your bassist/singer....take him to StarBucks or somewhere and try have a heart to heart with him about the direction of the band......find out if he is with you or not. I mean....he's either with you........or he's not with you. Right?

Same with you too though.....you have to be 110% behind your own music so you can "sell it" to the band.

I hope it works out.

wrote: John Mayer is 100X the guitar player/musician this fellow is.

What an asshat comment.

Well seems I am surrounded by giants in the ability stakes an look forward to seeing u okes play at Tanz. Until then may I suggest you all STFU an put up. if we can do no better than criticize others then a post by averatu a long time ago makes sense.

I support local an live music where I can and when I can, can appreciate the practice and tenacity that goes into it. Have a chat to Dan or go to his Facebook page an comment , he is an approachable chap ,tell him yr thoughts. I am sure he would give them the contempt they deserve.

Fucking keyboard guitarists wtf

I always love how if you're a south african and you talk shit about Yngwie Malmsteen or John Patrucci or you think Paul Gilbert is overrated it's no problem, just an opinion, but if you're a south african and you talk "kak" about some other south african musician, holy-shit, then it's a big deal and "YOU suck because you're not the one playing at tanz cafe".

If you think Dan Patlansky sucks and you can barely strum a chord then your opinion is no less valued. When you go to a crappy restaurant and eat the worst plate of food ever you're not allowed to complain about it because you're not a chef and you can't cook.

Just saying ekse