Any advice for this rig?

z3roD-h3ro

I don't have a big budget for an insame amp but I have the following setup in mind:

Peavey ValveKing head

Marshall MC412A Angled Cabinet

Could this be a good rig for mainly metal playing for the price, any suggentions?

Martyr

what's your budget?

deanBailey

What style are you looking to play too?

If it's more the heavier/high gain stuff then the Valve king NEEDS a tube screamer or a some sort of boost in front of it running pretty hot, 'cause this amp doesn't have that much gain as normal high gain amps. The cheapest Tube Screamer that works well is the probably the Ibanez TS-7. It has a similar PCB to that of the TS-808 with just two different resistors.

But the amp should work fine for other genre's. Unfortunately I haven't really paid that much attention to the clean channel so I can't comment there.

As for the cab, I'd suggest rather get one GREAT sounding 2x12 (for either a little bit less or a similar price) than a mediocre or less than average 4x12 'cause...well...the 4x12 just looks cooler on stage 8).

The info on the cab says "Loaded with Celestians" which isn't normally good as they're not being specific but better than standard stock speakers. If it was good they tell you exactly what brand and model etc

Don't worry about the 2x12 being less loud too. Besides the difference being dismal, you probably wouldn't crank the 4x12 louder than you would the 2x12 anyway.
At the moment I have a 4x12 but want to buy a 2x12 cab just for it's convenience.

Cabs (depending on your budget):
MARSHALL TSLC212
ENGL E212VH (great cab ?)
FRAMUS FR212 CB
LANEY GS212IE (GFSA user "dylan" has this cab but custom made for him with V30's in them)
FENDER 212 SUPER SONIC BOX BLONDE/OXB (I've played this cab and probably would again)
ORANGE PPC212COB
ORANGE PPC212

Martyr

there's a guy selling a brand new Peavey 6505 4X12 cab on gumtree for R3500

http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Stuff-for-Sale-musical-instruments-Peavey-6505-412-cab-BRAND-NEW-UNOPENED-IN-BOX-W0QQAdIdZ86077698

he is/was also selling a peavey XXX head aswell

deanBailey

Yeah I know the guy, he tried to sell it to me over Facebook.

Not a big fan of the 6505 cab though, sound a bit too boxy.

Martyr

marshall 1960 A and B 4X12 cabs? with a Marshall TSL 100 head?

http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/9871510/MARSHALL_JCM2000_TRIPLE_SUPER_LEAD.html
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/9871511/MARSHALL_1960A_300W_12_ANGLED_SPEAKER.html
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/9871512/MARSHALL_1960B_300W_12_STRAIGHT_SPEAKER.html

why's the guy selling that peavey cab and head?

deanBailey

Not really sure for his reason, but I'm almost sure it's brand new.

The B cab should be a straight one?

Martyr

he says A is angled and B is straight but the pics are screwed up i think,or he posted the same pic

MikeM

From junkmail...

Hughes and Kettner Vortex 100W guitar amp: head and 4X12\" speaker cab for sale. Tube simulating circuitry 2 Channel, 3-Band EQ, Reverb, FX Loop, serial Compensated Headphone Out. Great condition.

Suburb Price Phone
Faerie Glen R 7000 onco 072-4361213

Not sure if that's too much?

z3roD-h3ro

mmm

z3roD-h3ro

Thanx, yea maybe a second hand JCM2000 2x12 cab, anything else out there good enough for round about R4000 - R6000???
The TubeScreamer might just work, didn't even think about that, thanx again deanBailey!

deanBailey

Tube simulating circuitry

Ai...*cringe* key word in bold. Kind of saying you're friends with Ben Stiller but it's only a look-a-like that can do his impersonation. hehe not quite the real thing ?

MikeM

Hey hey, i don't know my amps too well, was just trying to help ?

Vintage-Vibe

Newsflash ! Newsflash !

Marshall 1960A 4 x 12" cabs (which DO NOT come with vintage 30's - special request/extra cost order from factory) are now
R 10 000 retail - ridiculous !
Plastic corners too !
Laney GS412IA is just about half the price, comes with metal corners & Celestion 70/80's (maybe not a classic "recording speaker", but lots of clean headroom with a tight low-end and not such a harsh spike in the mids that the 30's often have when combined with a Marshall type valve assortment on a head - good live 4 me)

Just a thought

VV

Mr-M

deanBailey wrote If it's more the heavier/high gain stuff then the Valve king NEEDS a tube screamer or a some sort of boost in front of it running pretty hot, 'cause this amp doesn't have that much gain as normal high gain amps.

? - I don't really agree with that. It has a lot of gain IMO (although I've only played the 50w 1x12" on several occasions as a few musos I know have 'em), especially with the gain boost switch engaged (maybe you missed that?). It has more than enough gain for metal IMO, but it does sound a bit loose on the bottom end (obviously open back 1x12"). A head through a closed back 2x12" or 4x12" will be much tighter and punchier on the bottom end, which along with the amount of gain should mean it will suit metal very well. The TS-7 will serve to tighten it up a bit, but I don't know if it's really necessary. The 2x12" combo version should also be good for metal.
The clean sound is pretty good as well. Not exactly Fender quality cleans or even Peavey's own Classic 30, but much better than your average Marshall. The Class A/ AB pot on the back seems to help the cleans set to Class A, but it does lose a bit of output volume (good in studio I would imagine).

BTW, +1 on the Laney Cab. The Celestion 70/ 80s are underrated, but actually very decent for the money.

Martyr

i'm agreeing with Dean on the Tube Screamer because if you use to much Gain on your playing it's gonna sound SLOPPY and MESSY....the TS will act as a boost and keep your tone under control....i'm not even using a overdrive(still gonna order mine) and my amp's gain is sitting at 4 /10....i have a Peavey Studio Pro 112 (65watts,but pumps like a 100watt amp ?) settings are PRE GAIN 4;LOW 4;MIDDLE 4; HIGH 8 and POST GAIN is volume...i play alot of lead and rhythm and i still get a really nice distortion sound from those settings,but it will improve when i get my overdrive pedal....

don't know if what i'm saying helps at all...but i remember when i started the more gain the happier i was,but now i'm realizing just how messy it makes you sound

Mr-M

I'm not disagreeing about the TS-7 - I did say it will tighten the sound up, which it will with the right settings - I'm disagreeing that the amp doesn't have enough gain (Dean said it doesn't have as much gain as normal high-gain amps). It has plenty of gain.

It will benefit from using a TS-7 to tighten up the sound (low gain and just above unity gain on the pedal- basically as an EQ) but using it as a boost running pretty hot as Dean says (i.e. pumping the volume and maybe the gain on the pedal too) will make it sound fizzy and loose and make it noisy IMO, because at high-gain the amp (the 50W anyway) has plenty of saturation and compression. Introducing more gain & compression will make it flubbier and introduce noise. It would benefit more using the pedal as an EQ or just using an EQ pedal IMO. But then again only actually trying it out will give definitive proof. My comments are based on my observations having played the 50W several times as well as how I've found high-gain tube amps tend to respond to feeding more gain into the front end. As you mention, if the gain on the amp is dialed back a bit with the TS as a boost, it will work great.

Wezz, I've had two Peavey Bandits 112s in the past few years (the 80W version of yours - sold the last one like 3 years back) and they are very nice for a solid-state amp and plenty loud for the power rating. Just wasn't my sound. Strange that a bought another after selling the first one. ?

Martyr

i'm happy with this amp for now...i wanna eventually get a Marshall head and cab...but that's gonna be in some time,don't have that kind of cash ?...

i was told a while back that all DS/OD is played through the clean channel of your amp....but after reading more about it and getting advice i realized the dude that told me that is a complete idiot ?

deanBailey

@Mr M: Aah perhaps I should try it out again, as I was referring to the head and based my opinion on one random test run. That's why I didn't really have a chance to try out the Clean channel.
I also tried the valve king on the Revalver MKIII demo and even though it's an amp sim it still lacked a bit of gain lol.

The "loose" OD sound sometimes gets perceived as a lack of gain and with the TS people think "wow more gain but it's so clean?" I never really add any drive on the pedal, just level.

I also read online that people struggle to get a desired amount of Gain from it.
I personally use very little gain so it suffices for my preference.
But I know most "metal/hardcore" guitarists love their gain knob lol. Hence me asking first "What style are you looking to play too?" ?

Mr-M

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I didn't mean to make such an issue out of it though - got a bit carried away explaining! ? I should have been a novelist! ?