bottledtone
Okay, now this is the scenario.... You've entered a competition for a custom boutique amp, and you've won! What would be your amp you want built for you? Features? Wattage? Even tolex...any option you want!
MikeM
35watt head from a pair of 6L6s with a GZ34, 210 cab with an alnico gold and G10 greenback. VVR - at least along the lines of powerscaling ? 3 position presence switch. Bias switch. Fender style BMT tonestack and an effects loop. I personally think tolex and grill cloth should represent the company that built it, so I am not fussy there.
MIKA-the-better-one
Pretty much what mikeM said........ sounds like my sort of amp.....
AlanRatcliffe
40 watt 2 X 6L6 head with power scaling, Blackface tonestack and solid state rectifier. 1 X 12 Alnico Gold. Blonde Tolex. Basically a Vibroluxe on steroids or a half-powered Twin. ?
shaunf
I think I'd like a Trainwreck Express clone built into a nice Maple or rosewood head box,
makepeace
Head and cab, natural wood finish with Marshall styling.
2 channels:
6SL7 - 6SL7 cathode follower - BMT stack (tweaked Marshall), pre stages here are partially bypassed
6SL7 - EF86 (morph switch) - DC30 type filter
switchable 12AX7 boost +FX loop fed into a 12AT7 rectifier with presence control a la 5F6A.
pair of KT66's with cathode/fixed bias switch and adjustable NFB w/power scaling. reasonably heavy OT.
speakers are a pair of 10's and 12's, Weber 1230's ceramics and alnico Silver Bells.
I think I'm actually going to build this one day..
Keira-WitherKay
Oh thats easy ? i would want a single channel amp much like a princeton in layout so single channel with just a master volume and eq being a simple bass and treble NO mids control and a good spring , tube driven reverb like original 65 princeton But NO Trem like on princeton , i never use it . So same preamp valves and reverb valves as princeton but instead of 15 w output i'd want 22 w output so cleans can stay clean louder then i'd fit a 12 inch fender voiced speaker jensen prob . And as for colour well i swore a while back to stick to black amps but recently i'm into ivory NOT WHITE tolex so yes a higher powered princeton than would be voiced for cleans at high volume with the slightest halo of breakup for a jazz tone , and i would like every effort made to keep overall weight as low as possible and dimensions as small , compact as possible to make it a gig amp
rikus
Keira WitherKay wrote:
Oh thats easy ? i would want a single channel amp much like a princeton in layout so single channel with just a master volume and eq being a simple bass and treble NO mids control and a good spring , tube driven reverb like original 65 princeton But NO Trem like on princeton , i never use it . So same preamp valves and reverb valves as princeton but instead of 15 w output i'd want 22 w output so cleans can stay clean louder then i'd fit a 12 inch fender voiced speaker jensen prob . And as for colour well i swore a while back to stick to black amps but recently i'm into ivory NOT WHITE tolex so yes a higher powered princeton than would be voiced for cleans at high volume with the slightest halo of breakup for a jazz tone , and i would like every effort made to keep overall weight as low as possible and dimensions as small , compact as possible to make it a gig amp
This!
MikeM
Won't that just be a Deluxe Reverb sans trem (and a different PI)?
ezietsman
Something like that the 65 Amps Empire
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or a 22 watt 6V6 trainwreck express + attenuation and power scaling.
AlanRatcliffe
Keira WitherKay wrote:
So same preamp valves and reverb valves as princeton but instead of 15 w output i'd want 22 w output so cleans can stay clean louder then i'd fit a 12 inch fender voiced speaker jensen prob.
You're describing a Deluxe Reverb (but without trem). Told you so... ?
[EDIT: Mike beat me to it]
makepeace
+1, but, as Mike pointed out, the PI's are different. DR has a long-tail pair and Princeton has a cathodyne PI plus the power tubes are biased differently, but thats a small technicality. Would be interesting to fiddle around and see how much difference the PI's make.
MikeM
Agreed Jono. I've not ever heard direct comparisons between PIs and it is something I plan to try tweak on my build.
rikus
MikeM wrote:
Agreed Jono. I've not ever heard direct comparisons between PIs and it is something I plan to try tweak on my build.
Are you building a DR? I don't think you ever mentioned in your thread what you're busy building (and I'm not savvy enough to figure it out from what you posted). You gotta update that thread!
MikeM
I am. Terribly, awfully slow though. I will update it as soon as there's something worthy of an update ?
AlanRatcliffe
makepeace wrote:
+1, but, as Mike pointed out, the PI's are different. DR has a long-tail pair and Princeton has a cathodyne PI plus the power tubes are biased differently, but thats a small technicality.
Interesting. Aside from the rectifier and the power tubes (number and type), what sets the BF Twin and the BF Deluxe apart? I know from swapping out power tubes in a Swart AST Master recently (auto biasing is nice!) that it's more than just power tubes.
MikeM
50v higher on the plates in the Twin. SS rectifier. Mid control. Besides that the differences are very small (differences in filtering etc)
makepeace
Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
makepeace wrote:
+1, but, as Mike pointed out, the PI's are different. DR has a long-tail pair and Princeton has a cathodyne PI plus the power tubes are biased differently, but thats a small technicality.
Interesting. Aside from the rectifier and the power tubes (number and type), what sets the BF Twin and the BF Deluxe apart? I know from swapping out power tubes in a Swart AST Master recently (auto biasing is nice!) that it's more than just power tubes.
The twin is SS rectified, has 2 sets of parallel 6L6's in push-pull (so different output impedance), TS differs in the way of a bright switch and mid controls for both twin channels whereas the DR has a bright cap on the vibrato channel and only T n B controls, reverb circuit is essentially the same, as is the vibrato and bias, filtering is a little different in the twin because of the rectifier, plate voltages in the twin are also a bit higher which affects the operating conditions, mainly in the pre tubes. Otherwise they're quite similar.
Keira-WitherKay
Well what i would want in that description i posted earlier is not far from a deluxe reverb but only one channel and simple eq i can't recall if DR Offer a mid control i really love just a simple bass and tops oh and like you mentioned no trem . And if possible smaller and lighter than a DR The whole appeal for me of princeton is it's portability . So rather than say i want i DR rather say i want a princeton in tone and simplicity but with more power and 12 rather than 10 for speaker but would be flexible on having a 10 if it sounded as good . And of course a princeton with no trem ? but yes a princeton in tone and portablity . I love fender tone why fix what ain't broke so rather just adapt my ideal amp which is princeton
MikeM
Why not say a more portable, single channel deluxe reverb without trem ? ? That's a bit more simple than a 22watt princeton with no trem and a 12" speaker.
I just think you're getting stuck thinking the Princeton is the best thing since sliced bread.
