Cricket...

TI-Distribution · 2011-03-03T08:25:50+00:00

Anyone following the cricket world cup? Big upset last night with the Irish over England! Ireland deserved the win and it is a good response to people calling for the minnows to be excluded from future world cups. S.A doing ok vs Netherlands at 178/2 after 34.0. Need a big push from here on... De Villiers showing his class! Amla a bit shaky early on but seems to be growing in confidence.

raithza

now allan has personally cost us 2 world cups... ?

really tragic... Unlucky amla, silly kallis, silly de villiers (though the run out wasn't his fault I guess)

I'm heartbroken ☹

aubs1

raithza wrote now allan has personally cost us 2 world cups... ?

Exactly .... hence my earlier post ...... hahahaha ....... ?

chris77

So who can I support now? Both my 'other' teams are out as well. The windies because they lost to pakistan and the kiwis because they lost my respect. It also used to be whoever played against the aussies, but now they're out as well. India is favourites, so that rules them out (I always like to cheer for the underdog ) Pakistan is an option, but I think Afridi is an ass, and then there was that whole matchfixing thing. England is my least favourite team and sri-lanka just leaves me cold for some reason. So what now? Choices choices choices...

Bob-Dubery

chris77 wrote Pakistan is an option, but I think Afridi is an ass, and then there was that whole matchfixing thing.

They've suspended the players who were taking bungs. That's fair enough. You can't judge a whole team because one or two people were on the take. If that were the case then why support SA?

I tend to support Pakistan if SA aren't in the game/tournament. They're a bit of a soap opera, but they always have a lot of talented players, and there's something about the way they approach the one-day game when they're firing on all cylinders. They play with a lot of aggression - especially in the bowling. They're more inclined to come at you with pace and with their spinners giving the ball a real tweak than to put on a lot of boring part-time medium pacers and sort-of-spinners who keep it flat and don't turn it much.

Afridi's having a good tournament with the ball, hasn't really fired yet with the bat. IMO he's doing a reasonable job as captain of the hardest team to handle.

Bob-Dubery

PS: Support India. Gary Kirsten's the coach.

giggsy

England slaughtered today by ten wickets. Nice. I know they'll blame all the off field events and injuries, but hey, I dont really care at this point in time. All that I can hope for now is that both the semis and final are down-to-the-last-ball crackers as I have no vested interest in the outcome either way.

Ray

I've always had a lot of time for Alan Donald and I'd like New Zealand to win. But if not it's OK because they've done pretty OK already. Ideally I would've been glad if Australia won the thing.

Keira-WitherKay

yeah wow what a result today .no wickets lost by SL i wonder if anyone made a lot of money betting that england would NOT get a wicket in the innings ..... makes one think........... cos winning by 10 wickets is too rare in a quarterfinal of world cup ........... and against england ....... mmmmmmmmm i wonder what that prediction was worth ......anybody know the odds of SL winning by 10 wickets

Bob-Dubery

Keira WitherKay wrote yeah wow what a result today .no wickets lost by SL i wonder if anyone made a lot of money betting that england would NOT get a wicket in the innings ..... makes one think........... cos winning by 10 wickets is too rare in a quarterfinal of world cup ........... and against england ....... mmmmmmmmm i wonder what that prediction was worth ......anybody know the odds of SL winning by 10 wickets

I doubt you'd get such odds. In an ODI a team can only win by a number of wickets if they bat 2nd. So the wager would have to take into account which captain wins the toss and what they'll decide to do. It is possible to consider what a toss-winning captain is likely to do (though that's not infallible) but you'd need a contact at the ground to make that work for you as it would depend on the strip to be used for the match. But you still don't know which way the toss will go.

Tokai-SA

X-rated Bob wrote
Keira WitherKay wrote yeah wow what a result today .no wickets lost by SL i wonder if anyone made a lot of money betting that england would NOT get a wicket in the innings ..... makes one think........... cos winning by 10 wickets is too rare in a quarterfinal of world cup ........... and against england ....... mmmmmmmmm i wonder what that prediction was worth ......anybody know the odds of SL winning by 10 wickets
I doubt you'd get such odds. In an ODI a team can only win by a number of wickets if they bat 2nd. So the wager would have to take into account which captain wins the toss and what they'll decide to do. It is possible to consider what a toss-winning captain is likely to do (though that's not infallible) but you'd need a contact at the ground to make that work for you as it would depend on the strip to be used for the match. But you still don't know which way the toss will go.

In India and Pakistan the bookmakers will give you odds on any bet you like...you imagine it and they'll take the bet.

For example (Pakistan players) bet on when they'll bowl a "no ball"...like the 3rd ball of my 4th over. ?

So a bet that Sri Lanka could win the game without losing a wicket was more than likely available, maybe not from SAfrican boomakers, but definitely in India and Pakistan. ?

aubs1

Ray wrote I've always had a lot of time for Alan Donald and I'd like New Zealand to win. But if not it's OK because they've done pretty OK already. Ideally I would've been glad if Australia won the thing.

I'd also like NZ to win Ray, but the chances of that happening, is .....well...... no chance at all. I' gonna put my "money" on Sri Lanka. The Ozzies, boy, I'm so happy they're gone, I hate Ponting (mr. Grumpy Supreme!!)

Yesterday's match was awesome, but with SL winning by 10 wickets, makes one wonder ......... !! :?

Bob-Dubery

Tokai SA wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Keira WitherKay wrote yeah wow what a result today .no wickets lost by SL i wonder if anyone made a lot of money betting that england would NOT get a wicket in the innings ..... makes one think........... cos winning by 10 wickets is too rare in a quarterfinal of world cup ........... and against england ....... mmmmmmmmm i wonder what that prediction was worth ......anybody know the odds of SL winning by 10 wickets
I doubt you'd get such odds. In an ODI a team can only win by a number of wickets if they bat 2nd. So the wager would have to take into account which captain wins the toss and what they'll decide to do. It is possible to consider what a toss-winning captain is likely to do (though that's not infallible) but you'd need a contact at the ground to make that work for you as it would depend on the strip to be used for the match. But you still don't know which way the toss will go.

In India and Pakistan the bookmakers will give you odds on any bet you like...you imagine it and they'll take the bet.

For example (Pakistan players) bet on when they'll bowl a "no ball"...like the 3rd ball of my 4th over. ?

That actually wasn't a bet. In fact the guy who set it up wasn't even a bookie. It was a way of demonstrating that certain players within the team could be bought.

Fixing a cricket match - which I think it what's being hinted at in this thread - is quite a difficult thing to do. There's too many things that can go wrong, too many things that have to come together for it to work out. Safer, easier, simpler to fix an event within the match, like a key batsman going out for less than 20.

You can't bribe players to excel, only to under perform.

Bookmaking is very severely restricted in India and illegal in Pakistan. There is no legal way to place a bet on a cricket match in either country. That doesn't mean that it doesn't go on, we know that it does, but it does mean that it's not like the UK where you can walk down to the bookie shop on the corner and ask the odds on Prince Charles having kippers for breakfast or whatever it is you think is worth a flutter.

aubs1

X-rated Bob wrote You can't bribe players to excel, only to under perform.

So is it possible that a fielding/ bowling side could under perform? Just asking.

Ray

I dontknow but you often see sportsmen in all disciplines picking up their game as a result of an incentive of sorts. National pride, poep scared of the coach or whatever. And money is such an incentive.

Bob-Dubery

Aubs1 wrote
X-rated Bob wrote You can't bribe players to excel, only to under perform.
So is it possible that a fielding/ bowling side could under perform? Just asking.

One of the things that Hansie Cronje did was to bribe one of his bowlers to leak runs.

I think it's difficult to get a whole side in your pocket. And expensive. If you wanted to profit from a loaded bet you could do just as well from knowing that a batsman was going to give his wicket away cheaply or a bowler was going to serve up a load of rubbish.

Bob-Dubery

Ray wrote I dontknow but you often see sportsmen in all disciplines picking up their game as a result of an incentive of sorts. National pride, poep scared of the coach or whatever. And money is such an incentive.

I was talking about bribes, not legitimate incentives for good performance.

There are all sorts of incentives and motivations. After the 1995 Rugby World Cup James Small was asked if he was scared at the thought of having to mark Jonah Lomu. He said "Sure I was. But I was more scared of making a **** of myself in front of 40 000 people."

IceCreamMan

The term "Chokers" comes to mind...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...

they were pathetic .....

Ray

X-rated Bob wrote
Ray wrote I dontknow but you often see sportsmen in all disciplines picking up their game as a result of an incentive of sorts. National pride, poep scared of the coach or whatever. And money is such an incentive.
I was talking about bribes, not legitimate incentives for good performance.

What's the difference? Money must be the most attractive incentive, sometimes just offered from the shady side. It's all money or something. So you expect a pro sportsman to have an issue?

aubs1

X-rated Bob wrote .......r a bowler was going to serve up a load of rubbish.

Ok, I was thinking of Shoaib Aktar's performance in a recent match (can't remember who they played) when he was really bowling rubbish, and got hit for 17 in an over IIRC. Just looked ridiculous.

Bob-Dubery

Ray wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Ray wrote I dontknow but you often see sportsmen in all disciplines picking up their game as a result of an incentive of sorts. National pride, poep scared of the coach or whatever. And money is such an incentive.
I was talking about bribes, not legitimate incentives for good performance.
What's the difference? Money must be the most attractive incentive, sometimes just offered from the shady side. It's all money or something. So you expect a pro sportsman to have an issue?

Well that's an interesting question.

It comes down to various issues of personal pride and whether or not you attach any value to the hopes and desires of people like you and me sitting at home, watching on TV (when DSTV feels like working) and fervently hoping that SA are going to open up a can of whipass on the other bunch.

Plus, of course, you can go on the record RE the performance incentive the UCB has linked to your progress through the World Cup, but not on the bung that some shady bookie gave you to get out for less than 15.

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