Sean
vic wrote
What worries me about the guitar is that it's reportedly very worn...it's usually not typical of players spending lots of $ on an instrument such as that and then neglect it....or am I naive ? :-\
On the flip side, it could mean that the instrument was very well liked by the previous owner/s, and was played or gigged often because of the awesome tone? ? ?
vic
Sean wrote
vic wrote
What worries me about the guitar is that it's reportedly very worn...it's usually not typical of players spending lots of $ on an instrument such as that and then neglect it....or am I naive ? :-\
On the flip side, it could mean that the instrument was very well liked by the previous owner/s, and was played or gigged often because of the awesome tone? ? ?
You may be right Sean...it happens, but one should still take good care of your baby,especially if she has a great voice ?
PJH
joel wrote
One day in the near future hopefully , you'll see the light and come over to the 'right' side ....lol ?
I agree, Joel ?
singemonkey
The flipside is that if it is real beyond doubt, it might be possible for someone to make a profit flipping it if they're willing to do a bit of restoration.
Tonedef
Somebody needs to take a small wood sample for testing. Any traces of lemur DNA will reveal all! ?
MIKA-the-better-one
I say if someone wants a Les Paul, not for there collection but to play it, in a band, and want a great les paul sound... then this les paul is a bargain, basically because its a high quality gibson, and if you are playing the thing and it sounds good very few will know or care about the refinish... I hardly noticed it, and if it beggued someone that much they could fix it up....
I saw this guitar again today and its a great looking guitar, if i had the money or was not moving I would make a plan to get it...
free2rhyme
I went passed there this morning, checked it out, definately the real deal to my eye. I have my fare share of Gibsons and have been looking for a dated Supreme for a while now(I like the cavity idea ???)
fret bindings, cavity, headstock logo, correct bridge, i opened up the cavity etc...played great, needs a service and a clean... a lot of buckle bash on the back, couple of dings here n there... neck is still good, fretboard is relatively spotless.
is it worth 15k? in my opinion....maybe or maybe not! even though it has been played to crap, I have seen worse Supremes and those sell for close to 20k.
the rad thing about this one is that its the Ebony release, now to my knowledge this was part of the initial release back in 2003/04 and they dont make the ebony or white Supremes anymore(i stand to be corrected). The serial number dates it in 2004.
the control knob is easily replaceable, the tarnished hardware too, you could probably get all that replaced for under R1000 from Stew Mac, then hey presto... a great Gibson Les Paul Supreme.
does it need to be refinished? depends on what you want to use it for...for gigging: dont bother...for collection or resale: a definiate. Do I want it? I'm with Mika on this one...YES, but hey, I suppose food is more important than a guitar right now ???
Banditman
Does the finish really matter?
Yes, if you're a collector/investor, but if you're a player after a high-end guitar?
One of the sweetest Les Pauls I ever played wasn't that great to look at, and it wasn't even a model that was on my "look at" list. It was an '80 Deluxe (I wasn't after mini 'buckers) in red. Not wine red, but fire engine/post box/cherry solid red. Add to that some serious buckle rash on the back, play wear on the front, and gentle green tarnishing on the hardware.
And if I'd had the 1250.00 pounds ticket price to spare in my pocket, I'd have bought it. It was a gem. Hell a bit of careful polish would have cleaned the hardware, and if I couldn't have stood the red any more then it would have been easy to get a proper refinish (or even go the Mick Ronson route).
You've got to be really wealthy or completely unmaterialistic to modify something so that it loses value - and you don't care. Either that or the instrument's a keeper & you frankly don't care because the next owner will be inheriting it or buying it after they dispose of your remains.
For the right buyer (if the guitar's good at heart) it sounds like a possible good deal.
AlanRatcliffe
Banditman wrote
Does the finish really matter?
Yes, if you're a collector/investor, but if you're a player after a high-end guitar?
Agreed. At some point you have to decide if you are a player or a collector or, if you are both, which takes priority. It's perfectly OK to be both, but it can't be with the same instruments. ?
Hammeron
I'm a player that's frightened of becoming a collector as well.... ?
vic
Hammeron wrote
I'm a player that's frightened of becoming a collector as well.... ?
Why ? All you need to do is look properly after your axe.
I know of a '64 Strat that has been played/gigged 3-4 times a week since the late 60's and it still looks mint...serious...the guy just looks after and cares for the instrument he loves.
Norman86
vic wrote
Why ? All you need to do is look properly after your axe.
I know of a '64 Strat that has been played/gigged 3-4 times a week since the late 60's and it still looks mint...serious...the guy just looks after and cares for the instrument he loves.
Thats why i cant understand the fascination with a road worn instrument!
Why cant it still look in mint condition??? Perfect example that i can be!!!
guidothepimmp
when i gigged i took 2 guits to a show. diff tunings.
the one was a beater and the only wear it showed was through the finish on the forearm contour. the other i also played hard but also didnt chuck it around etc.. needless to say.. after cleaning off the sweat and beer erc.. it still looked mint. so youre right.. a bit of tlc and it can be done. depends on the player
Bob-Dubery
Norman86 wrote
vic wrote
Why ? All you need to do is look properly after your axe.
I know of a '64 Strat that has been played/gigged 3-4 times a week since the late 60's and it still looks mint...serious...the guy just looks after and cares for the instrument he loves.
Thats why i cant understand the fascination with a road worn instrument!
Why cant it still look in mint condition??? Perfect example that i can be!!!
I think it depends on the attitude the individual has to the guitar. For some players the guitar is a tool. You want good tools, and you want to keep them in good working order, but they are tools.
free2rhyme
To anyone that is interested:
I spoke with the owner of that store and he was willing to let it go for R10 500.00 but he hinted at less as he wants to move it...
Reinhard
joel wrote
:-\ , meh ,............ if that guitar was an [insert name ] LP in that condition , the value would be about R800.00 to R1500.00 , the fact that its a Gibson in that condition makes it worth about 6-8 K , not a cent more.....(IMO :? )
However , there is a chance that someone would pay the asking price because its a Gibson. Thats the managers line of thought , methinks.
Clearly the market for reliced Gibsons isn't as large for that of reliced Fenders. Its been there nearly 2 weeks , surely thats some sort of record for a 'high end ' guitar being sold out of a pawn shop.......lol ?
There is a big difference between reliced and refinned and abused. This guitar would only be worth it to someone who has the expertise to fix it and if he could get it in the price range you mentioned Joel. It is hard to imagine how someone can f*&^ up a high end guitar this much.
Gearhead
Does anyone know if this thing is still waiting for a new owner at Cash Crusaders? 8)
free2rhyme
Sorry Gearhead, I have no idea, my friend went to go see it 2 weeks ago and that was still available
