Vintage-Vibe
4 Rene:
My mistake - there must b another teacher by your name more towards town end ... hmmm
4 Manfred:
The Dynadrive (along with some of the new "Fender" amp pedals) was running with the ME-20 into the front of the amp, while the GT-8 went straight to the desk.
I can't recall if he even went to desk with L & R outputs ! (As Rene mentioned - gives a MUCH fuller sound - I run mine into a Roland KC-350 into a pair of L/R inputs - sounds KILLER !)
The other factor is that club has had the same PA 4 about 15 years, and its always been shitty - they recently replaced it, apparently the boys from Taxi Violence said it's sounding a lot better !
If that GT-8 had been running into the return of the JC-120 the tonal comparison would have been a VERY different story !
Amazing, even when we have an international quality player here, the conditions of comparison STILL weren't perfect !
Maybe Alan & I should do a software AND multieffect into full-range system comparison clinic ... hmmm
VV
NorioDS
I'm not nearly as experienced as most folk round here but perhaps that's a good thing. I love my DS-1 and Morley Wah but, with just the right tweaks, I get really great sound out of my laptop. The overdrive sounds overdrive-y (and unpredictable), the distortion sounds crisp (and predictable) and there is just a WORLD of things to tweak to get your own unique-ish sound. I'm loving it!
Renesongs
Maybe Alan & I should do a software AND multieffect into full-range system comparison clinic ... hmmm
Now that would be cool ?
deanBailey
Wessel wrote:
It's maybe just the way it was set up or the way the effect was programmed ?
lol or the way that he plays guitar? As much as I like to joke around, I mean that.
The pedal that sounded the most absolute WORSE to me at that demo was the "Metalcore" (what a way to stamp cool trend name on to your pedal to sell ?) He really tried to 'sell' it to people with the bonus' like extra sustain and high gain, but I wasn't buying, I think I cringed the entire time he put that thing on. ?
The only thing that put people in awe was his playing (which was pretty nice and clean) which some people obviously mistook that for the tone of the pedal.
You can't put good shoes on an average dancer and expect them to make you dance well, but you can put shitty shoes on a good dancer and they'll still make them work
Guy-Onraet
deanBailey wrote:
The only thing that put people in awe was his playing (which was pretty nice and clean) which some people obviously mistook that for the tone of the pedal.
that yellow quilt-top suhr nearly made my eyes pop out of my head 8)
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Manfred-Klose
Seems like almost every one on this forum has been to the Robert Marchello gig!!!!
I would really like to meet you all at the next guitar workshop.
When is the next big guitar workshop? Maby malmsteen? as if......
deanBailey
And the teased hair ?
whusmaname
I've done both, at the same time, and I think it depends on the effect you're using.
IE: Digital delay/echo (Zoom GFX707 pedal) through analogue overdrive (Can't remember what it was, as it was a borrowed unit... it was blackish grey...) into an amp (Marshall Valve-state and/or Line 6, both clean) or vice versa (OD into Delay etc...)
but I still choose digital because of transport ease, and simplicity of use.
Manfred-Klose
His hair, lets not get started on his 80's shirt and snake skin boots, what more do you want?
I mean come on that guy is a real rock star.
I would dig a pair of snake skin boots, as i am very much influenced with the 80's.
Bane
Yip i believe this is where i belong ? Honestly I prefer the raw analogue sound BUT i don't see how anyone who wants a flexible sound can go without a digital processor. WHY?
1: The effects available on a digital processor are vast and as has been said before.....to get that amount in stomp boxes is ridiculous
2: Digital processors are wonderfull for recording purposes, whether at home or in a studio. They are easy to hook up to a pc, and sometimes you listen to a song you wrote and realise
that a particular riff or lick needs some flange or whatever..point is your digital processor probably has it
3: They are fun!! ever try the pedal bend? ?
4: If you can overcome the learning curve (downfall of most players) you can get a really good sound (not 100%) but good enough
The problem is having stomp boxes for the raw tone and a digital processor (lots of cables and equipment to lug around, yeah i am a bit lazy)
Personally i'd get a good amp, loop my gt8 through it and simply use it for effect such as reverb, chorus etc. Forget the preamp. Use your amp tone and simply overlay the effects, that way when no effect is active you are pretty much getting the most of your amp tone.
Unfortunatley i don't have a amp with awsome distortion so here is to hoping....?
Malkav
All I can say is GT-10...to me it sounds better and more responsive than the GT-8, in fact the new processor now calculates different algorythms over different eq's in order to get a realistic sounding tube gain. Whereas the GT-8 only had one algorythm for the entire frequency spectrum and couldn't recreate tones perfectly I honestly believe the GT-10 is onto something. It did take me about a week to get mine to sound good but once I got it sounding good it sounded REALLY good and gave so much more in terms of dynamic and harmonics than my GT-8 was capable of.
Digital equipment is soon going to be hitting a point where it will sound identical to analogue and for some uses even better. In cases like delay there is no chance I'd ever go analogue but that said I think analogue phasers are better than digital. It's really become a preference thing these days.
But there's the awesome and fun thing about guitars, we get new toys to play with all the time ?
Martyr
i prefer building up my own pedal board(even though i own a ME-50,but i'm selling it)...
i like how a pedal board looks(i know,a gay reason),but i prefer having what i need rather than having what i need and more... also multi effects pedals have really shitty wah pedals(IMO),but then again i've only used a ME-50,GT-6 and GT-8...
i think that multi effects pedals are better for beginners who are still looking for what they want/need(and experienced guitarists who want every effect available),but i'm over that stage of having everything,i don't use a 10th of it anyways!!!
but(IMO) if you want a multi effects pedal,atleast buy a separate wah pedal...
DNC
Most stomp boxes are digtal anyway... my DD-5 (digtal delay) ?
But perfer the a analog amp sound... if I could find one!!!
deanBailey
Maxon have an
Analogue Delay Pedal
Any agency in SA would be smart to import these (for convenience) as they are better than Ibanez stomp boxes, but don't dare overprice it because it's cheap enough online.
DNC
deanBailey wrote:
Maxon have an
Analogue Delay Pedal
Any agency in SA would be smart to import these (for convenience) as they are better than Ibanez stomp boxes, but don't dare overprice it because it's cheap enough online.
Thats always the problem is Sa isn't it? The stuff is out there but just not easy to get....
deanBailey
That's why South African's are built tougher and smarter ?
Although the latter doesn't apply to anyone in parliment.
EDIT: I take that back because I think I broke a rule.
DNC
Jip love this place... We I was in Europe I actually got bored cause nothings happens... Everything works...
I believe in music we have alot to look forward... We just need one big import company.... ?
whusmaname
Yes, parliament is not the subject of this thread.
Back to topic... I am rather impressed with the turnout on this thread, and I thank you all for your input... So far I've gathered that both have their ups and downs, and I suggest to all guitarists to try both options out for yourself, and deciding which is best for you... I am gonna put towards my analogue collection of stomp-boxes even though I have a digital pedal, just to say I've tried both.
Mr-M
I've been on both sides of this debate and back several times in terms of gear, and, at least in my case, I've come to the conclusion that using both digital and analogue elements in my signal chain gives me the most flexibility.
Yeah I would love to have a dozen filter, modulation and delay stomp boxes lying on the floor in front of me instead of my multi-EFX, but when added to my eight analogue pedals it would just be too much to handle and too much floor space. I could get a complicated switching system, but that would cost a lot of $ as well as being rather heavy and large to transport.
I don't think there is really any wrong or right route to take in terms of analogue or digital, but rather let your ears, needs, wallet and (in some of our older members as well as my lazy asses' case) lower back be the judge.
Personally I generally avoid using a digital drive sound as I prefer analogue OD/ Fuzz, but when it comes to delay, mod and filter (just not wah) I'm more than happy to go digital. In studio software like Guitar Rig on the other hand is something I'm happy to use for drive tones (flexibility being the key), but I still prefer using the real thing if I can.
deanBailey
Ok that is a fair enough point, but that is the common thing I find guitarist doing and it's OK if it works for them.
Often It's a decision between having lots of cool sounding pedals or one multi pedal that does it all but it's more convenient.
The way I see it is what your priorities are? Getting great tone and pay a little bit more and work a little bit harder or OK tone and pay a cheaper price and carry less? there is a way of having around 8 pedals and you can choose to switch and combine them to one button as you wish but it is a tad bit expensive.
In your case, you chose the multi pedal route because it's more convenient (which it is) In my case I chose to have a 4x12 cab (plus everything else) that I carry to EVERY gig, out my studio > in my car > out my car > on stage > perform > and vice versa.
lol Yes it can become a major pain and I'll sometimes wish I went the multi FX route, But it's what I sacrifice to getting and decent tone, I don't mind working a little harder or paying a little extra for tone just that little bit better. ?
