Gibson Les Paul on Take 2 (USA store)

CDee · 2010-10-01T19:19:28+00:00

Hi, While we're on the Take 2 bandwagon... ? I've been surfing on Take 2's USA store a long time and it seems that the strong rand is really in our favour at the moment. I've been gassing foe a Gibson Les Paul for ages and I just could not find one for the right price in SA. This one really looks like a good option for someone like me. I only want this as a second guitar to experiment with and thus not willing to look at anything more than a normal studio. I can't even find a second hand studio for that price in SA. ☹ http://more.take2.co.za/moreusa-gibson-les-paul-studio-electric-guitar-worn-brown-satin-b000pflkay.html So, anybody know where in SA I can pay that or less for a Gibson LP?

aubs1

nick wrote Maple neck on a Les Paul eeuuh ?

Aghhhhhh!!!.......with you on this one Nick, that looks like a LP made in Afghanistan......... ?

vic

X-rated Bob wrote
chris77 wrote On a serious note though, a thread like this is more informative an a lot healthier for the forum than a thousand of How much guitar polish Should I use? type threads.
There's no space to quote all the great comments in this one, but I agree with most of what is said.
It's just never nice to hear somebody, especially an informed somebody whose opinion you just cannot dismiss as the ranting of an ignoramus, talk in a practical manner about something which is an emotional issue to you.
And why we love what we love and want what we want is an emotional issue. If you can seriously distance yourself and look at something you cherish in a purely practical and common sense type of way, you've effectively reduced it to a tool to be judged on how useful it is to you. Some folks can do that, I can't.
To me Guitars like the Gibson Les Paul, and many other brands and models mind you, are much much more than tools.
This is the purest poppycock.

If we have to have some agreement that anything that somebody feels a special attachment to is not to be mentioned other than to praise it will quickly render discussion of just about anything worthless. It will mean that nothing can be compared with anything else. No alternatives may be proposed etc etc. We will eventually end up with a nanny state forum where one won't even be able to say "Gibson is the best" because there is an implication that Fender, Ibanez, Gretsch and everything else are not of the same standard and so the owners of those guitars will be offended.

That somebody has some special attachment to a specific brand shouldn't carry any weight here as long as discussion is civil and respectful to persons. And the people who complain about this lack of respect for their chosen brand would look a bit better to me if they were as defensive of a general principle - though shalt not diss a brand - rather than a specific brand.

These two statements seem to be at loggerheads with one another....poppycock from the Dutch "pappe kak", nonsense, rubbish, ☹

DonovanB

Aubs1 wrote
nick wrote Maple neck on a Les Paul eeuuh ?
Aghhhhhh!!!.......with you on this one Nick, that looks like a LP made in Afghanistan......... ?

A maple neck is great, Maple fretboard is not...

aubs1

Donovan Banks wrote
Aubs1 wrote
nick wrote Maple neck on a Les Paul eeuuh ?
Aghhhhhh!!!.......with you on this one Nick, that looks like a LP made in Afghanistan......... ?
A maple neck is great, Maple fretboard is not...

On a Strat.....YES.........not on a Gibby....... ?

vic

Aubs1 wrote
Donovan Banks wrote
Aubs1 wrote
nick wrote Maple neck on a Les Paul eeuuh ?
Aghhhhhh!!!.......with you on this one Nick, that looks like a LP made in Afghanistan......... ?
A maple neck is great, Maple fretboard is not...
On a Strat.....YES.........not on a Gibby....... ?

Some LP's from the 70's had 3-piece maple necks if I'm not mistaken.....stained to resemble mahogany

singemonkey

Pretty much all of them did. Quite a few were even made with maple fretboards. Results vary depending on the colour of the guitar for me. I've seen pics of a natural finish Custom with a maple fretboard that looked pretty good.

@Aubs: you hater ?

Re: Vic's response to Bob. Respecting people does not mean respecting their ideas. Ideas and beliefs are changeable and are not intrinsic to people no matter how much they like to think they are.

So to call an idea or belief poppycock is not to disrespect me, but to disrespect my belief or assertion. To call me an 4sshole (or a hater), on the other hand is to disrespect me. Even worse is to disrespect some unchangeable characteristic of me. "Men have nothing to contribute to this conversation."

But if I come up with some absolute rubbish, as I have before, it's not disrespectful to me to call it what it is.

Bob-Dubery

vic wrote
X-rated Bob wrote This is the purest poppycock.

If we have to have some agreement that anything that somebody feels a special attachment to is not to be mentioned other than to praise it will quickly render discussion of just about anything worthless. It will mean that nothing can be compared with anything else. No alternatives may be proposed etc etc. We will eventually end up with a nanny state forum where one won't even be able to say "Gibson is the best" because there is an implication that Fender, Ibanez, Gretsch and everything else are not of the same standard and so the owners of those guitars will be offended.

That somebody has some special attachment to a specific brand shouldn't carry any weight here as long as discussion is civil and respectful to persons. And the people who complain about this lack of respect for their chosen brand would look a bit better to me if they were as defensive of a general principle - though shalt not diss a brand - rather than a specific brand.
These two statements seem to be at loggerheads with one another....poppycock from the Dutch "pappe kak", nonsense, rubbish, ☹

Which is what is was - for reasons I've gone into.

I think a lot of the heat generated by this thread and a previous one in which Gibson and Tokai got compared has been because people are struggling or unwilling to separate persons from ideas and respect from disagreement. Every less than gushing comment about a Gibson is taken as a personal insult or as a manifestation of some kind of hatred. That's not the case. (I think there were comments about people being suckers or fools for playing a copy, but those weren't from the Gibson "haters").

Differences of opinion, even strong differences of opinions, do not amount to disrespect, and they shouldn't be portrayed as personal attacks. If we can't keep the two things separate then there's little point in discussing anything anywhere anytime.

Wizard

In other words ... just because I come up with good ideas doesn't mean I'm not an @$$hole?

singemonkey

Wizard wrote In other words ... just because I come up with good ideas doesn't mean I'm not an @$$hole?

Yep ?

There are two logical fallacies that can be made relating to this.

The ad hominem argument is where you attack an argument on the basis that there's something wrong with the person presenting it ("Ferraris are fast? This from a person who drives a Toyota!").

The argument from authority - in which you claim an argument must be right because someone respectable has supported it ("Well President Obama likes Ferraris, so who are you to say they're not better than Lamborghinis.")

Neither of them says anything about the actual argument. The argument is not related to the person presenting it and can be safely evaluated on its merits - independent of who supports it.

A lot of 4ssholes have had brilliant ideas, and a lot of really great, intelligent, well-respected people say really stupid things sometimes.

Bob-Dubery

Wizard wrote In other words ... just because I come up with good ideas doesn't mean I'm not an @$$hole?

I didn't say that, and I haven't called anybody an a-hole in this thread, even when I've disagreed quite profoundly with them.

However, if you think of the set of people with good ideas and the set of people who are a-holes, there will be an intersection of the two sets, but there will be people in either set who don't fit in the intersection. You'd also have to consider the complementary sets - people who never have a good idea, people who aren't assholes.

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