Volume Pedals

kayDUB · 2008-08-25T16:47:09+00:00

Hey Guys I am starting to look for a volume pedal... But what I want to do is put the volume pedal at the end of my chain so if I am using delay ( boss DD20...

Volume Pedals

kayDUB

Maybe I didn't say it properly, but when I said the volume pedal is down, I meant off. Now that I think about it, its prob the other way round? :-\ So if your volume pedal is before the delay, when it is "off" (up/down - whatever ??? ) there won't be any signal going to the delay, correct?
I want to use it to control the overall volume, kinda like a master volume.
Have I lost the plot here? Was there ever a plot? What's my name????? ???
?

AlanRatcliffe

kayDUB wrote: Maybe I didn't say it properly, but when I said the volume pedal is down, I meant off. Now that I think about it, its prob the other way round? :-\

? Pedal down (mechanical) is volume up (electrical) and vice versa. Fun and confusing! Usually you're talking about the electrical function, so you were right - down is lower volume.

So if your volume pedal is before the delay, when it is "off" (up/down - whatever ??? ) there won't be any signal going to the delay, correct?

Correct.

I want to use it to control the overall volume, kinda like a master volume.

It still does that if used in front of the delay, it just takes the length of the delay time to change the volume of the echoes, which is more natural sounding (especially when using for volume swells) than changing the volume of dry and echoes together.

Have I lost the plot here?

Yes. It was repossessed due to non-payment of debt.

Was there ever a plot?

Yes. It's now been subdivided into four smaller erven, each with their own luxury compact house, comfortably close to the 8 hole Golf course, shops, schools and other amenities.

What's my name????? ???

Fred

kayDUB

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
So if your volume pedal is before the delay, when it is "off" (up/down - whatever ??? ) there won't be any signal going to the delay, correct?
Correct.

I suppose this is kinda obvious... 8)

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
I want to use it to control the overall volume, kinda like a master volume.
It still does that if used in front of the delay, it just takes the length of the delay time to change the volume of the echoes, which is more natural sounding (especially when using for volume swells) than changing the volume of dry and echoes together.

Makes sense. I think I should play around with a volume pedal and try it out.

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
Have I lost the plot here?
Yes. It was repossessed due to non-payment of debt.

Was there ever a plot?
Yes. It's now been subdivided into four smaller erven, each with their own luxury compact house, comfortably close to the 8 hole Golf course, shops, schools and other amenities.

What's my name????? ???
Fred

lol! But I don't have any debt!
mmm, the smaller erven sound good, do they have place for a jam room/studio?
you can call me Fred... ? As long as someone calls me, damn this loneliness... ☹
hahahahaha!

Mr-M

kayDUB I use a Visual Sound Visual Volume - the best Vol pedal out there IMO - after my wah, OD/ Dist etc. and before my delay effects, pretty much like you were asking below, and it works perfectly as described by Alan.
The delay fades out naturally when I move the pedal to the "off"/ heel down position, which I take it is what you want?

kayDUB

yip! thanks. What do the VS VV's go for round here?

Mr-M

R1599 from Andy McGibbon's Guitar World - 011 886 9591

kayDUB

Thanks Mr M!

Renesongs

When you mentioned a stereo volume pedal I though you were looking a t a device to split or pan your volume between 2 effect chains. Of course with Guitar Rig any and all of the above configurations would be possible - one of my favourite effects is setting up 2 rigs say a Clean Twin Reverb and a Boosted Marshal 800 and using the expression pedal to pan between the 2. (Come on at this rate NI should be paying me a salary) ?

kayDUB

Interesting enough I was reading that this is how Mike McCready and Stone Gossard from Pearl Jam set up their rigs, with a pan pedal to switch between (or use both) a clean and a dirty amp. But I can barely afford ONE decent amp... ☹

AlanRatcliffe

I must say, once I went stereo there was no looking back. While it doesn't work live for obvious reasons, for sheer playing enjoyment, running stereo is great.

one of my favourite effects is setting up 2 rigs say a Clean Twin Reverb and a Boosted Marshal 800 and using the expression pedal to pan between the 2.

Me too. I also like to use the envelope modifier to pan between the two amps automatically depending on how hard I play.

JoeyBones

M's right! The Visual Volume is definitely the best volume pedal for the price. And if you read the manual and set it up like you're supposed to, it definitely does the job very well.
I've run mine before and after time based effects and it's perfect for the job.

If you're willing to wait for shipping. Hunt ebay. I got mine brand new for just under R1000 shipped, paypal'd.

Renesongs

While it doesn't work live for obvious reasons

I always demand the same privileges as the keyboards on the PA ie a stereo channel and if there's a problem, well I have my own PA ?

AlanRatcliffe

Sorry Rene, I meant from an audience perspective - the folk on the right hand side of the room hear a different mix to those on the left and only those in the middle get the full glory of the stereo image.

Renesongs

You are right of course - that's something I still don't get though. When I was doing backtracks for my 2 piece band I created mono images so that everybody at the venue gets the same amount of bass drums keyboard whatever but when I mix for theatre I make use of a full stereo image. How do the pro's do it I mean like at a concert I mean I would hate to listen to Vai or Floyd in mono.

AlanRatcliffe

I'm no expert, but I would imagine that's a totally different ballgame. The nature of the music should make the balance less of an issue. Theatres are generally built with better acoustics and fixed seating. The seating itself is usually spaced away from the walls by the aisles, which will make for a larger "sweet spot" in the middle. Usually a lot of sidefills too - which help. I'm not sure, but you may find the engineer narrows the soundfield of the music a bit too (I know I would).

The stage sound reinforcement has to be stereo so that the stereo image follows the placement of the performers.

Renesongs

you may find the engineer narrows the soundfield of the music a bit too (I know I would).

That's because you are a musician and still relatively sane. Theatre people are lets say a little more "artistic" and love the drama of sound effects sweeping across the stereo plain with the result that some poor aunty sitting in seat A1 usually gets her hat blown off by a thunder clap.

AlanRatcliffe

LOL! ...and here was I thinking guitarists with Marshall stacks were bad! ?

Satriani

scuse my ignorance, but why do people use Volume pedals when they have volume knobs? My only guess is that they want to run them after certain effects so as to drop volume off different sounds and not all at once?

AlanRatcliffe

There's that, but it's also more convenient to use your feet. You can also do other things like the panning between amps we mentioned earlier, or panning between different effects chains. I often use one to change the balance between magnetic and piezo pickups.

Mr-M

Satriani, if you use OD pedals and place a VP after them, you can use the VP to control the VOLUME of the OD. i.e if you want to make your volume quieter for a particular part of a song or use it as a volume boost for solos.

If you use amp OD and have an effects loop, if you place the VP in the EFX loop, it has the same effect of controlling the volume level.

Using the volume knob on your guitar, which in terms of order is in front of your pedals or amp OD, just adjusts the AMOUNT of OD, NOT the VOLUME. i.e. roll back volume for less dirt/ cleaner sound, roll up for more dirt/ gain.

That explain it?