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Banditman wrote
To add a name from the past, anyone remember Trevor Rabin? He may be producing rather than playing nowadays, but did some lovely stuff back in the day.
We've had some extensive Rabin discussions on the forum, Banditman:
http://www.guitarforum.co.za/general-discussion/trevor-rabin-is-everywhere/
http://www.guitarforum.co.za/guitar-players/trevor-rabin/
http://www.guitarforum.co.za/youtube-guitar-videos/trevor-rabin-and-lindsey-buckingham-solo-acoustic-workouts/
And any of a multitude of posts you'll find if you did a 'Trevor Rabin' search in the GFSA search engine.
Please don't think I'm being rude - just some advice while you get to know your way around the forum. Took me ages to find the search function - now it's cool 'cause I can always check - before I post - if someone's already started such a thread/topic. Then I rather add to that existing thread than start a new one. The benefit for the forum is, of course, that we build up a nice resource that is tidy and easy to navigate.
Nice to read some of your posts today - keep 'em coming!!! ?
KarateBob
Gonna have to go with Dan Patlansky... He treats his guitar like a bipolar drunk treats his wife...
Bob-Dubery
Two that spring to my mind that haven't popped up yet: Tom Fox ex of Bright Blue and Willem Moller AKA "Meneer Volume" of Die Gereformeerde Blues Band.
I always enjoyed Fox's playing. Great rhythm player and a very tasteful soloist. He integrated well with the band and played FOR the band and for the song.
Moller was pretty active in the 90s. He was involved in the Voelvry tour and also played guitar in James Phillips's band as James concentrated more on songwriting and fronting the band and playing keyboards. Very good player.
needleshy
hey guys i was at a fender workshop and saw Robin Gallagher do some chicken pickin shiznit, wow, that dude is good and not just at country, he's a great all round guitarist and also a pretty nice guy. i would say he's one of my fave SA guitarists.
i was also in school with a dude called James Grace, this dude is an unbelievable classical guitarist if not the best we have here, he left our primary school because he got a scholarship at the Royal academy of music and studied there..... he came back a few years later and played some killer classical during one of our assemblies.
apparently he's now the head of the musical dept. at UCT and he should only be about 30 now i think....
this guy had the luck of the irish man, but he worked hard to get it. you should check him out if you ever have a chance.
evolucian
Ever get the idea we have a serious lack of superb musicians in this country? Most are in their bedrooms or heaven forbid, the lounge. That being said, there are a few with their names flying about... so thats cool. For myself I'd have to go with Newman, Lotz and Patlansky... Dan is cool, very humbled from his trip to the states a few years back. Mauritz impressed me wholly with his down to earth humour and super smooth playing. Its like humour found its way into his playing the same way Mattias Eckland found his.
A different one from the above is a dude called Gerrie Pansegrouw... the SAMI guy. Very natural, and oh so cool. His country licks are wicked, his rock licks are wicked... he therefore be wicked...
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evolucian wrote
Ever get the idea we have a serious lack of superb musicians in this country?
No.
Bob-Dubery
Stratisfear wrote
evolucian wrote
Ever get the idea we have a serious lack of superb musicians in this country?
No.
Me neither.
PeteM
X-rated Bob wrote
Stratisfear wrote
evolucian wrote
Ever get the idea we have a serious lack of superb musicians in this country?
No.
Me neither.
Ditto... Ditto
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A lot of people tend to look at the white rock scene and reach the conclusion: "Not enough good musicians." This is extremely misleading and untrue on many levels. Firstly, musicians come in various forms and scenes, and secondly, even within the mentioned subgroup, there are plenty fantastic musicians. I put this view down to ignorance and tunnel vision more than any solid evidence.
chris77
I fully agree! Jimmy Dludlu and Ernie Smith to name a few. A while back SABC3 showed a lot of latenight live jazz fests. I knew none of the bands or players, but some of the stuff was bloody brilliant!
evolucian
I think you guys may have misinterpreted my post a little.. There were two lines following that to clarify my thought process of the first opening statement.. and it was my opinion. On this thread in particular, there is a lot of repetition of artist names... hence the statement.
I did not say there are no superb musicians. If you query my reading ability, then yours needs to be brought in question too. I said there is a lack of, and most of the "superb" musicians are bedroom musicians. Face it. If it weren't that way, there would be more bands than there are... anyone have a stat of how many instruments were bought in a year compared to performing bands and individuals (theres a "solid evidence" thing to refer to). And that view is not limited to this country, although on here, I'm talking about SA.
I myself would look at the rock scene here and realise there are plenty of good players, even more average players. But I really can't pinpoint superb players (which means with ego's in check too).
In the jazz scene we are incredible. I have never been blind to it, although my taste tends to go for Joey Calderazzo and Dave Weckl and The Brecker brothers instead of Dollar Brand and Dludlu. But I do not, at all, discount their genius. If you aimed that at me stratisfear, you may not see narrow mindedness after all. In my previous post I did mention 4 artists that I really admire...
I'd love to go to Grahamstown to see the fest some year... but its a little too far to walk for now. But I do have it in the back of me head to go.
Our metal scene, is a dwindling one aswell.. Although people may claim there are a lot of bands, there aren't really. Its a handful of musicians that have stuck around for 20 years or so... I think Agro might be going close to 15 years as a band (not sure about that... they had been going before my previous band, during it and after it and still going).
Our acoustic players are really good... and very inventive... but its a handful. I went to the guitar fest 2 years ago, and the support there was incredible. Mauritz was his awesome self, Dan was very relaxed... I forget who the oud player was but he was a cool old man. Some awesome players were there... and some awesome shop assistants too giving demo's. Some monstrous players there... but nothing special. Read into that what you will, but I'll say it again... nothing special.
Steve Newman has something special, and if you cant see that... you definitely are blind and deaf and should just be shot so you can't feel anymore either. Same goes for Tony Cox.
The other day I went to TOMS... some guys were jamming away on the keyboards in front... awesome changes, great jazz feels and gospel grooves. They'll play in a church and at home... nowhere else. They play on the church keyboard, at home on their casio with no other gear in order to perform live. Solid evidence for you again, because they are not being heard about except by friends and family. Maybe thats enough for them, who knows... but if they played live at a jazz or blues spot... I'd definitely make arrangements to go see them.
Another great player is Heath, and his brother Grant is good too... I think they are awesome... most of u in jhb might know them. Most outside jhb may know Heath...
Having worked in a music store or two... I have come across some very good players, also some mediocre players (who make more cash than the good players) and some super shit muso's who really thought their shit gives off rosy aromas... but yeah, we all have met various players.
But the superb, is merely a handful... ok, a rather big hand... just needed to clarify my post as it got misconstrued with whatever someone else missed
***edit: I would like to add that I too am not a superb player... maybe bordering on average and below, but thats my opinion.... tastes vary***
Steff-Zero
I dig Albert Frost's vibe.
Locally(KZN), I'd say Steve Fataar, Dave Birch and Syd Kitchen.
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evolucian wrote
I think you guys may have misinterpreted my post a little.. There were two lines following that to clarify my thought process of the first opening statement.. and it was my opinion. On this thread in particular, there is a lot of repetition of artist names... hence the statement.
I did not say there are no superb musicians. If you query my reading ability, then yours needs to be brought in question too. I said there is a lack of, and most of the "superb" musicians are bedroom musicians. Face it. If it weren't that way, there would be more bands than there are...
Hmm, only saw this now and I don't get it. What you said is you think/suspect there is a "serious lack of superb musicians" in South Africa. (Who ever said we thought you meant "no" superb musicians?) Whether or not you mean most/many of these people are playing in their bedrooms, I disagree with you. I don't agree that they're mostly in bedrooms. I also don't think my definition of what constitutes "superb" is far different from yours. I don't agree that there aren't many bands. I don't agree that SA's metal scene is a dwindling one (many white bands forming now definitely, as far as I'm concerned, seem to be heavily influenced by metal and little else). My thinking is that we have about 47 million people in South Africa, compared with about 300 million in the USA. And, as percentages go, I think our ratio of superb musicians is right on the money, regardless of whether we have the music industry to sustain them all or not. I don't want to conflate the argument about our music industry with the one about the talent pool. You were talking about the talent pool, and that's what we responded to.
Lethe
well, at least for me, concerning the metal scene, I am yet to see an amazing guitarist. Sure, there are a few very good guys, but not necessarily amazing or ground breaking. There are tons of mediocre and copycat players around.
As I said, this concerns the metal/ rock scene.
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Lethe wrote
well, at least for me, concerning the metal scene, I am yet to see an amazing guitarist. Sure, there are a few very good guys, but not necessarily amazing or ground breaking. There are tons of mediocre and copycat players around.
As I said, this concerns the metal/ rock scene.
That's because you don't have a band, Lethe. ?
Keira-WitherKay
yeah guys ... i must be honest ... i think the local music scene is way alive and maybe not so 'well" yet but ... wheni left this country the local music scene was nothing but a cover band circuit with maybe 5 /6 original acts..... each time i returned it got better ... this time i'm even staying longer than i intended cos there is actually a scene here now ....... and the local music industry is just that ... now a young industry....... it's the good time to be in SA music........... i hope in next few years a band or two will make a world name again and then SA music industry is back to being taken seriously........
and yeah judging players by saying who is or isn't awesome or good meadiocre is so wrong ... and shouldn't even happen cos it's all your personal opinion.... my way of looking at it is if the individual artist/band can do pro gigs....... and do more than just their first then fold.... then they part of the SA music industry ............and then it's your perogertive whether you personally like em or not ........... but someone you might not be impressed with might be the next one to take the world by storm....... so try not be too judgemental other than for personal taste ......... cos yeah we all like who we like.... but some of the slating i hear about musicians from other musicians is just not right ..we need to support each other ...and even help each others bands develop........ but iguess it's the competitiveness and even jeaulousy that enters into it .... such a shame......
but yeah we should be celebrating ..........the SA music scene is small but it's here and growing ................. and yeah lets just all become part of it ..........
peace and light
keira
Lethe
Stratisfear wrote
Lethe wrote
well, at least for me, concerning the metal scene, I am yet to see an amazing guitarist. Sure, there are a few very good guys, but not necessarily amazing or ground breaking. There are tons of mediocre and copycat players around.
As I said, this concerns the metal/ rock scene.
That's because you don't have a band, Lethe. ?
lol
DonovanB
back to topic, I've been listening to more Freshly Ground. They work so well together.
I also enjoy that guitarist althoug his name escapes me.
One of the other bands I really liked was Fetish, I think a guy named Dominic played with them.
DaFiz
Perhaps there was not enough market for the South African musician for too many years and some of them went elsewhere to earn better munny.
:-\
Vick
+1 for rian ziertsman,i love that guys raw tone and hes a awsum muso...
and +1 for dan platsky 2,im inlove with that only ocans song...
A grate contrubuetion 2 the sa music sence IMO is hunter kennedy,guitarist for fokofpoeliesiekar and aking,also a member of heuwels fantasties...
He also writes lyrics for al those bands...and is a awsum guy...
