Cioks Power supplies in SA

matta · 2010-07-02T10:43:37+00:00

Hi Guys, There has been alot of talk on the Forum RE Cioks power supplies, in particular the new DC10, which in my honest opinion is HANDS DOWN the best power supply on the market. Cioks make nothing but effects power supplies and as a company have over 20 years in the power supply business. For example the new DC10 puts out 1.6amps of power, features 8 isolated sections, offering 9V, 12V and 15V DC, and with the additional of the optional stack flex cable, 18 and 24V DC. It is capable of powering up to 3 Eventide pedals and still have room for additional 9V pedals. It will also comfortably power a TC Electronics Nova pedal as well. Speaking of which, if you own a couple TC pedals, then the TC10 is up your street as it will power up to 4 of these Danish made pedals as well as ample supply left for any other 9 volters you may have and the ONLY supply approved by TC Electronics. These supplies, unlike many of the cheap options are linear supplies (as opposed to switch mode) with custom toroidal power transformers, shielded with a mu metal screen for low EMF radiation and have heavy power filtering with low ESR caps for the lowest possible noise. Unlike units from Voodoo Labs et al these have selectable primaries so you can easily switch from 115 to 230VAC. Now they are not cheap, but quite honestly I couldn't make a supply this good, for anywhere near what they are asking for them. Currently there is not agent or dealer in Africa, or infact outside of mainland Europe, that will ship to SA and the going on-line price is around R2200 ex VAT, shipping and duties to SA, so taking all that into account, even buying on-line the DC landed, will prob be around R2600. I've been in touch with Cioks directly, through Ashton Audio as I have a client who wants 2 DC10's and I want one myself to see if we could buy direct, they are not willing to do so and in order to buy direct I need to take 10 supplies at a time. Having chatted to Alan I'm going to propose a group buy here for them, I know that the market is small, and alot of you will turn your nose up at paying that much for a power supply, but for some of you with alot of pedals, professional gigging musos and session cats this is a small price to pay for reliability and confidence (all power supplies come with a 5 year warranty). And for those of you who DON'T need all that power, they offer a great option called the Schizophrenic, which has 6 isolated outputs and selectable 9V, 12V and 18V DC options, the 18V option also has a variable SAG to dial in the exact DC voltage you need. If we can get 10 supplies I can get the supplies for the following prices: DC10 = R2,200 TC10 = R2,200 Schizophrenic = R1,200 The caveat is that the supplies will need to paid for up front, as I need to pay the order in FULL before shipment, much like we did on the Mojo order (but thankfully Cioks seem VERY jacked and have already worked out the shipping costs with FedEx for me and can turn the order around in 2+ weeks). Anyone interested in going in on the deal? As shared I'm already in for 3, so we just need 7 more people. Cheers Matt

matta

Just to say, last chance to get in on the order... ordering ends tomorrow afternoon.

Cheers

Matt

shadow1

Alrighty, MATT paid you for a DC10 ? ?

matta

Hi Guys,

Just a quick update for those interested.

I've just gotten off the phone with Poul, owner of CIOKS, it was funny as he was trawling the web and found our Forum and has been following along and complimented me on my explanation of the supplies, not putting 2 and 2 together that I, Matt am the owner of Ashton Audio.

I've been dealing with the Sales Rep who is now on holiday for 2 weeks, so Paul himself is going to get me the info I need to proceed with the order, but he has warned me that the supply has been overwhelming so we are looking at a + 3 week lead time from receipt of payment before they ship.

Cheers

Matt

AlanRatcliffe

You can tell him we will happily accept huge discounts in lieu of prompt delivery. ?

Riaan

That's cool. Good to spread out my recent purchases somewhat, it will attract less attention that way... ?

msch997

Hi I arrive at this thread to late, typical of me :'(. I saw mention that someone is looking to run an Eventide Timefactor on the DC10. I took a look at mine (TimeFactor that is) note that it is a 9 VDC connection but the draw is 1200 mA and not 400 mA.

So that pedal will have to stay on its own power supply?

Would Cioks be able to do something with 18V pedals (some of the MXR pedals) and my Fulltone OCD runs from 9V to 18V and sounds best at 18V although I am sure I wont hear the difference at 15V.

Am I to late to partake in this very generous group buy organised by Matta?

Regards

Mike

AlanRatcliffe

I think Matt may have ordered one or two extra DC10s to make up the order, so if you get your order in quick, you should get one.

I think the Timefactor would need to stay on it's own supply, but you can run the OCD on a full 18V with a special cable that is included.

matta

Hi Mike,

Firstly, welcome to the Forum!

With regards to the TimeFactor, Eventide have come out and shared that the supply that ships with the unit is WAY overspeced and was originally from a prototype they used, personally I think it is just and off the shelf supply they use with other models and it makes it easier to use one supply, bought in bulk, across their product range.

ALL Eventide pedals draw between 300 - 360mA @ 12VDC or 400mA at 9VDC, the DC-10 will comfortable do 400mA at either 9 or 12VDC, over the Voodoo Labs's 300mA.

This was issued by Eventide Support:

Our stated power requirements were based on an early prototype and are overly conservative. We've done extensive testing and we have updated the spec as follows:

MF, TF, and PF can operate from a 5W power source that supplies regulated 9 to 12VDC max. The minimum required power ranges from a maximum of 4.5W at power up (all LEDs lit) to about 3.6W in normal operation depending on how many LEDs are lit.

For a regulated 12VDC, the current requirement is 380mA at power up and 300mA in normal operation. Do not use unregulated 12V.
For a regulated 9VDC, the current requirement is 500 mA at power up and 400mA in normal operation.

The Voodoo Lab ISO-5's 12VDC output is conservatively rated at 300mA. It can supply 12VDC @ 400mA with all outputs fully loaded and low AC line level. The ISO-5 can easily run one Factor pedal from its 12VDC/300mA output.

We apologize for any grief that we've caused by our original, overly conservative spec.

jwaltz

eventide product development

* Filed under: power Stompbox timefactor, power supply, power

So as you can see, if you switch to 12VDC on the DC-10 rails you will have no problem powering all current factor pedals. the ISO5 can only run 1 pedal, the DC-10 will do up to 3.

That said independent studies by Vodoo Labs AND Cioks show you can easily run these off the 400mA 9VDC rails as well.

And as Alan shared, yip, no problem on the 18V, each DC-10 ships with one STACK FLEX cable, which combines 2 of the 9V outlets into one, though you may prefer the optional 'Booster Flex' Cable to do so as it only uses ONE output and contains a step up convertor, I've ordered a couple extras, these are R320.00 each, though the average cable price for standard models are - R36.00 each, with the Split and Stack options are at R56.00 each.

RE extra DC-10s, yes I ordered 1-2 extra that are available on a first come, first served basis.

I hope that helps.

Kind regards

Matt

msch997 wrote Hi I arrive at this thread to late, typical of me :'(. I saw mention that someone is looking to run an Eventide Timefactor on the DC10. I took a look at mine (TimeFactor that is) note that it is a 9 VDC connection but the draw is 1200 mA and not 400 mA.

So that pedal will have to stay on its own power supply?

Would Cioks be able to do something with 18V pedals (some of the MXR pedals) and my Fulltone OCD runs from 9V to 18V and sounds best at 18V although I am sure I wont hear the difference at 15V.

Am I to late to partake in this very generous group buy organised by Matta?

Regards

Mike

msch997

Thanks Matt and Alan for the info.

I will take one of the extra DC10's, will decide regarding the Booster Flex vs Stack Flex need to "count" pedals.

I need your banking details so I can make a transfer, possibly leave that for me by way of PM. I am in JHB so we will have to add transport as well.

Thank you again.

Mike

matta

Mike,

I will respond to your PM during the course of the day.

Cheers

Matt

msch997 wrote Thanks Matt and Alan for the info.

I will take one of the extra DC10's, will decide regarding the Booster Flex vs Stack Flex need to "count" pedals.

I need your banking details so I can make a transfer, possibly leave that for me by way of PM. I am in JHB so we will have to add transport as well.

Thank you again.

Mike

FruitarGeek

Damn. This pedal sounds too good to be true.

Matta, seeming as you spoke with the head honcho there, was just wondering if there was ANY talk of them eventually delivering down to SA. I dont need one of these DC10's now, but the time will come when I do.

Also, on a side note; you said the Holy Grail draws 500ma. What would you do then if you have one, get a seperate Boss Power adapter?

matta

It depends on WHICH version of the Holy Grail you have, the latest version consumes half the current of the older model.

RE being too good to be true, no, just well engineered, I have MUCH respect for Poul and the CIOKS team, they got it right.

RE making in roads into SA, I hope so, I think both my and Poul's hope are that the SA market will develop in time, they are anxious to break into new territories and I'm happy to be able to assist them, for now I'll be consider a retailer, but if the demand increases I may move up to dealer status, but one step at a time.

Cheers

Matt

FruitarGeek wrote Damn. This pedal sounds too good to be true.

Matta, seeming as you spoke with the head honcho there, was just wondering if there was ANY talk of them eventually delivering down to SA. I dont need one of these DC10's now, but the time will come when I do.

Also, on a side note; you said the Holy Grail draws 500ma. What would you do then if you have one, get a seperate Boss Power adapter?

msch997

Matt

I am in .. Please invoice me .. I have sent you a PM

Regards

Mike

matta

Hi Guys,

There has a been a bit of delay in the order, well payment at least, because I need to know what extra cables you may require... I ordered what I thought was enough until one of my clients, who bought 2 DC-10's decided to deplete all the extras!

Just so you know, each of the supplies ship with the following cables, 16 in total:

3 x 30cm 2.1mm 90 degree Boss Style Cables (- center)
2 x 50cm 2.1mm 90 degree Boss Style Cables (- center)
1 x 50cm 2.1mm Straight Boss Style Cable (- center)
2 x 80cm 2.1mm 90 degree Boss Style Cables (- center)
2 x 50cm 2.1mm 90 degree Boss Style Cable (+ center)
1 x 50cm 2.5mm 90 degree Eventide Style Cable (+ center)
1 x 50cm 3.5mm 90 degree EHX jack Style Cable (+ Tip)
1 x 50cm 3.5mm Straight EHX jack Style Cable (+ Tip)
1 x 50cm 9V Battery Snap
1 x 30cm + 50cm Boss Style 'Split Flex' (Powers 2 Boss style pedals off one cable)
1 x 50cm 'Stack Flex' (Combines 2 of the 9V outlets into a single 18VDC)

Additional 'standard' cables run at R36,00 each, the 'flex' cables at R56,00 and the Booster Flex @ R340.00 (this allows you to double the 9V to 18V and only use one connection, unlike the 'Stack Flex', which requires 2).

Please lets me know what extras you need and QTY's so I can cater for you, as shared I've ordered a couple extras but they are going to be sold on a first come, first served basis.

I'm needing to wrap this up by Sunday night as I'm going to give Paul the updated list on Monday so I can arrange the wire transfer on Tuesday.

Cheers

Matt

AlanRatcliffe

The standard set of 16 will do fine for me.

Anyway, AFAIK, the outputs of the CIOKS are standard RCA? That should mean it will be relatively simple to make up any additional cables if the need arises.

msch997

Hi Matt

An additional split flex and a booster flex will do for me.

Regards

Mike

will pm you as well

matta

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your feedback, Cioks have updated the invoice with the additional cables and I will wire the funds tomorrow morning. then we are looking at +- 3 week to manufacture, 1 week delivery via FedEx, these are subject to change, but as of now that is the ETA.

Cheers

Matt

matta

FYI!

Tomorrow, at latest Monday your package will be ready to ship. We're waiting for 5 SA style power cords to complete the shipment.
Best regards,
Poul Ciok

Cheers

Matt

AlanRatcliffe

Ah was just wondering about this this morning. I've got a gig next Sat with Bill Knight so want to put a small board together and wondered if the PSU would be here in time (which I now know is doubtful).

shadow1

Whats happening with this order? from the post above i take it that its been sent by CIOKS? so it should be here when? I am REALLY in need of my power supply now..

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