What chord is this?

guitarboy2828

Ok, So whilst watching and Andy Timmon's dvd, I found this chord and am trying to figure out what it is..

It looks like this:

E 2
B 3
G
D
A 3
E

So.. Its got the F#, D, G, and C. So it's like a D7, but the A is flattened to a G.. However, it's also like a GM7 with the B going up a semitone to a C..

So, what is this thing? ??? and, what chords would go with it?

Maybe I'm just trying to hard and it's actually really easy.. ?

MikeM

Em9 with raised 5ths?

Just my guess ?

DonovanB

what strings don't you play?

guitarboy2828

Donovan Banks wrote: what strings don't you play?

Oh, sorry.. Don't play the E and D string.. I'm thinking it's like a GM7sus (if there is such a chord) ?

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Hahahahahaha - you be confusing the internets:

http://jguitar.com/chordname?string5=2&string4=3&string3=0&string2=x&string1=3&string0=x

guitarboy2828

Stratisfear wrote: Hahahahahaha - you be confusing the internets:

http://jguitar.com/chordname?string5=2&string4=3&string3=0&string2=x&string1=3&string0=x

I think you may have just complicated things.. ?

C5add9add#11 C 5th Add 9th Add Sharp 11th
C5add9addb5 C 5th Add 9th Add Flat 5th
Csus2add#11 C Suspended 2nd Add Sharp 11th
Csus2b5add5 C Suspended 2nd Flat 5th Add 5th
GM7sus4/C G/C Major 7th Suspended 4th
D11/C D/C 11th

? However, i thought it was a GM7sus.. Never thought of the sus4/C.. ?

I quite like those first couple, really will help when telling my band mates what i'm playing.. ?

PeteM

If you play all the strings, I would call it D11/E, and could be used as a passing chord in place of D7 in the key of G. E.g:

G / D11/E G6 C / Cmaj7 / Am7 .......

Keira-WitherKay

well one could descibe and name a chord anything that shares the same notes.......... and especially if it's an altered chord .... but the best way ..or should i say the start is to know what key a song is in ...cos that will help define what the root is...then just describe the chord as you see it cos ....... and use the chord formula and alter it .. but ussually it helps to know the root or I note........ and the key will tell you that ........

PeteM

Keira WitherKay wrote: well one could descibe and name a chord anything that shares the same notes.......... and especially if it's an altered chord .... but the best way ..or should i say the start is to know what key a song is in ...cos that will help define what the root is...then just describe the chord as you see it cos ....... and use the chord formula and alter it .. but ussually it helps to know the root or I chord........ and the key will tell you that ........

Spot on Keira - that's why in my example I put it in the key of G.

guitarboy2828

Hmm.. That makes sense.. So.. What if I don't have a context in which this chord fits? ?

After watching that dvd, I'm really keen on working on my chords.. I know the main chords, but really want to delve into these kinds of D 11/E, etc..

How does one go about add these kinds of chords into chord sequences? Even chords like Pete put up there, G6, to Cmaj7.

Where would i start in trying to add in augmented chords, diminished chords, and other chords with 6's, 11's added to them?

evolucian

It could be a Cmaj9#11 (without the 3rd). Thats how I would play it. So it could be a IV, definitely.

But it depends on the chords preceding it and following it.

Or it could also be an altered V9 chord having the 5th and b5th.

It all depends on the context it was played in. Andy likes expensive chords so maybe look at it as the IV... unless the progression dictates a V

***edit***

There could be another possibility... that the F# is used in passing to add melody to the chord.

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evolucian wrote: Andy likes expensive chords

Surely he'd play Gibsons, then?

evolucian

Stratisfear wrote: Surely he'd play Gibsons, then?

Actually his signature Ibby is far better... fat sound... awesome neck... bla bla bla...

DonovanB

I have it!! ?

This is the secret chord that David played and it pleased the Lord.... 8)

evolucian

guitarboy2828 wrote: Hmm.. That makes sense.. So.. What if I don't have a context in which this chord fits? ?

After watching that dvd, I'm really keen on working on my chords.. I know the main chords, but really want to delve into these kinds of D 11/E, etc..

How does one go about add these kinds of chords into chord sequences? Even chords like Pete put up there, G6, to Cmaj7.

Where would i start in trying to add in augmented chords, diminished chords, and other chords with 6's, 11's added to them?

Forgive the double post...

You could start adding them to your progressions in a way that makes you play the melody through your chords. Remember that a 6 chord can also be a substitute for the 7. 11ths are tricky creatures in that they sound best over a V chord... unless you use the #11 in a IV chord. The I chord with an 11 sounds awkward.

Your augmented chords would be over your V, unless you are really adventurous in making a cycle of V's. Your diminished chords would be at your vii... but it could also be used as an approach chord...ie: the next chord is major either a half step above or below. So in using it as an approach a half step above the next chord could make it a bii. Substitution theory and tritone theory would help you out on that. Coltrane would be a good guide to learning that.

guitarboy2828

evolucian wrote:
guitarboy2828 wrote: Hmm.. That makes sense.. So.. What if I don't have a context in which this chord fits? ?

After watching that dvd, I'm really keen on working on my chords.. I know the main chords, but really want to delve into these kinds of D 11/E, etc..

How does one go about add these kinds of chords into chord sequences? Even chords like Pete put up there, G6, to Cmaj7.

Where would i start in trying to add in augmented chords, diminished chords, and other chords with 6's, 11's added to them?
Forgive the double post...

You could start adding them to your progressions in a way that makes you play the melody through your chords. Remember that a 6 chord can also be a substitute for the 7. 11ths are tricky creatures in that they sound best over a V chord... unless you use the #11 in a IV chord. The I chord with an 11 sounds awkward.

Your augmented chords would be over your V, unless you are really adventurous in making a cycle of V's. Your diminished chords would be at your vii... but it could also be used as an approach chord...ie: the next chord is major either a half step above or below. So in using it as an approach a half step above the next chord could make it a bii. Substitution theory and tritone theory would help you out on that. Coltrane would be a good guide to learning that.

I'll look into those theory's you mentioned.. Thanks, that's what i was hoping for, wasn't quite sure what to google to get onto something! ?

Thanks!

evolucian

Googling now, I found this... could help ya (i haven't read the thing, just skimmed)

http://www.jacmuse.com/improv/harmonicapps/jazz.htm

and here:

http://www.jazzcenter.org/index.htm?http://www.jazzcenter.org/cw-jrc/dominants.htm

and here:

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/jazz-substitute-chords.html

many more, but i'm sure you'll find them.

Also try get your hands on a book called "Jazzology" which you can preview here:

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=tnmTMT6Hfi0C&lpg=PP1&dq=jazzology&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

guitarboy2828

evolucian wrote: Googling now, I found this... could help ya (i haven't read the thing, just skimmed)

http://www.jacmuse.com/improv/harmonicapps/jazz.htm

and here:

http://www.jazzcenter.org/index.htm?http://www.jazzcenter.org/cw-jrc/dominants.htm

and here:

http://tamingthesaxophone.com/jazz-substitute-chords.html

many more, but i'm sure you'll find them.

Also try get your hands on a book called "Jazzology" which you can preview here:

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=tnmTMT6Hfi0C&lpg=PP1&dq=jazzology&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

Cool, have bookmarked those, will definitely work through them when i get time! ? Do you know where that book is available?

evolucian

Unfortunately not... short of amazon... but i guess it can be ordered from a shop here... maybe lovemore music could get it for you, or get it for the shop you are ordering from.

That tamingthesaxophone site is awesome... going thru their stuff now... it is brilliant. I heartily recommend it to anyone on the self study journey.

But then again... seeing that jazzology is a free read online... maybe work from it there? Its an awesome book. Filled with lots of magic fings.

chris77

Here's a nifty site for these type of questions.http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/chord_name.php
I often use it to check chord shapes, but it got quite a few nice other feature sa well.

It says that if you add the open low E (which is likely), it's a D 11(no 5th).
No idea if it's right though.