Gary moore

Seventhson · 2010-01-17T19:15:27+00:00

He is my fav non-metal guitarist.

Bob-Dubery

Jack Flash Jr wrote +1 Reminds me of Led Zep crediting Ritchie Valens' mother (wife?) for a song on Physical Graffitti - Boogie With Stu (awesome by the way) in order to get some royalties shared in tribute to Richie. They then got knocked by the publishers I think.

Karma. Led Zeppelin had more than one out of court settlement over composer attribution and royalties.

David Gilmour intervened on at least one occasion to get some Syd Barrett compositions on Greatest Hits type albums, and included a Barrett composition, "Astronomy Domine" on one of their live albums. A nice way to keep the royalty cheques rolling in for Syd.

BMU

X-rated Bob wrote
BMU wrote And my thought was "why the *%&#$# would a talented presumably intelligent individual such as yourself WANT to spend that intense effort to sound EXACTLY like someone else."
We've all got our influences. I don't think there's one player out there these days who is 100% original

That's unavoidable, natural and not the point. The point is spending a LOT of time clinically dissecting and purposefully learning to copy someone else's exact style.

However as you point out, he doesn't just ape Green's sound, so maybe it was a learning step he wished to take to incorporate some Green sound into his normal playing. That makes sense I guess and kind of answers my initial question. Still seems like a shameful waste of time to me personally, but now I can see some sliver of logic to it at least.

shadow1

3ight8all wrote Gary Moore does an insane red house cover on Strat Pack, you should check it out ?

YES! almost better than hendrix' original version ? PHAT tone on that strat hey

3ight8all

shadow1 wrote
3ight8all wrote Gary Moore does an insane red house cover on Strat Pack, you should check it out ?

YES! almost better than hendrix' original version ? PHAT tone on that strat hey

Yeah man, seriously hot tone and he puts his soul into it ? I must say, I actually prefer the Moore cover ?

Sebastian

You say moore is your favourite "non-metal" guitarist? Well where i come from (a blues perspective) gary moore is quite 80's "metally". He uses quite a few metal tricks in even his blues recordings. Gibson into hot pickups into a roaring marshall. Hmmmm...

As for copying your hero's being a waste of time, if it IS such a WASTE OF TIME, then howcome moore, who is a world famous guitarist, doesn't think so? Nor did steve vai who set out to copy jeff beck, nor Malmsteen who set out to copy blackmore, nor stevie ray who set out to copy albert king, nor john petrucci who set out to copy steve morse? I could really carry on...

I kinda see a pattern...

I think everyone needs heros who they try be like. The key to music is LOVE. if your love comes in the form of trying to copy your heros and eventually finding your own voice through it, then so be it. A unique gift like hendrix doesn't mean we can judge mortals who work as hard as they can for their voice and need influences to do so.

May set out to copy gallagher... Slash set out to copy joe perry... Bonamassa copies eric johnson but is still barely thirty...
Shepherd copies stevie ray. Oooh but stevie copied albert king??

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BMU

Sebastian wrote As for copying your hero's being a waste of time, if it IS such a WASTE OF TIME, then howcome (...) john petrucci who set out to copy steve morse? I could really carry on...

Just to clarify, Petrucci's influences are well documented as "the steves and the als" as he calls them, six of them as I recall. He didn't set out to clinically dissect and exactly reproduce any single person's style. As I said above, of course we all have influences, that's natural, good, unavoidable and not my point. Anyway doesn't matter, I'm sure Moore did what he had to do, I'm just glad everyone doesn't take that approach.

singemonkey

BMU wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
BMU wrote And my thought was "why the *%&#$# would a talented presumably intelligent individual such as yourself WANT to spend that intense effort to sound EXACTLY like someone else."
However as you point out, he doesn't just ape Green's sound, so maybe it was a learning step he wished to take to incorporate some Green sound into his normal playing. That makes sense I guess and kind of answers my initial question. Still seems like a shameful waste of time to me personally, but now I can see some sliver of logic to it at least.
You do get people who play just like their heroes, but they tend to be in tribute bands. I think the purpose is to drive up your skill levels firstly, but also to work out how to play those things that move you. If this player brings tears to your eyes, it seems pretty important to figure out how they did it. It's a personal thing. You try to emulate the playing that does it for you. Once you've learned it, and figured it out, you can begin eliminating aspects of that person's style that are less important to you, and incorporate other stuff - stuff that may come from outside your heroes, outside guitar playing, or even outside music. Then you've got yourself a style.

Learning Clapton songs, I'm discovering subtleties to his playing I'd never heard, or dreamed of. Only by learning them by ear, and emulating them with all the tiny nuances, am I starting to discover how he moves me. The obvious stuff doesn't sound right if you don't get the subtle stuff. I'll do the same with other people, and incorporate and rebel.my own little interests, and one day, I too might have a style of sorts.

Learning a person's style is like having daily lessons with a superb teacher. I'm just astonished at the difference between hearing someone play, and figuring out what they're actually doing.

Banditman

Rob dos wrote one of the greatest ever.. i do feel he could have been greater if it wasnt all about him and he found himself 2 or 3 other equalled musicians and made us some real music..
alot of his songs come off as real corny to me, im like wow thats amazing how the shit did you do that, and then im like wow thats the cheesiest thing iv ever heard that sounds like an 80's porno or an elevator riff, but wow how did you do that!

Don't forget that he did spend time with other good musos in Thin Lizzy.

I know I'm stepping back a few lines here, but that's a pretty fair description of where Gary gets frustrating to listen to. Almost every slow, sad blues number he does sounds like Parisien Walkways (right down to the picking rhythm). Lyrics often verge on the choc box lid obvious - almost paint by numbers songwriting.

And then just before you get fed up & switch it off, along comes a stunning, searing LP into Marshall tone (e.g. Cold Day In Hell or Only Fool In Town) that grabs your ears & makes you want more of the same.

arjunmenon

Nice topic. Interesting read as well.

I totally dig Moore's tone on Blues for Narada.

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