Jimmy Page #2 Gibson Les Paul

Rob-dos

Gibson have just released a signature guitar of Jimmy pages number two guitar (#1 was released a while ago)
Alot of signature guitars end up being a way for the companies to slap on a name and coin some cash, but I think a few are worthwhile
If you check out this video interview with jimmy page at his house i think you can see why.. This is the guitar he would play Dazed and Confused with

Here is the link to the Gibson site with the guitar

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-Custom/Jimmy-Page-Number-Two-Les-Paul.aspx

anyone else drooling and wishing they had more money than anything else? 8)

singemonkey

It looks great. I wouldn't throw it away. But is it worth $25,000? (answer: no. c'mon. it doesn't cost any more to reproduce his guitar than anyone else's.) More Gibson BS.

Bob-Dubery

singemonkey wrote: It looks great. I wouldn't throw it away. But is it worth $25,000? (answer: no. c'mon. it doesn't cost any more to reproduce his guitar than anyone else's.) More Gibson BS.

Well it costs a little more because of the trick wiring. You can save 10 grand (that's AMERICAN grand) by not having his signature on it.

Rob-dos

i think prices are:

11k VOS
15K VOS AGED
25K VOS AGED SIGNATURE

apparently people are going out for the cheaper ones cuz of the low serial numbers on them, people can be funny ?

i would never save up to buy something like that, but if i could afford it within my means i would take it out to town
it seems to be unique in its crazy wacked out 60's idea of rewiring and messing about with everything

could get some unique sounds out of that

Rob-dos

you can save 14 american grand!! by not having a man put a pen on and another guy to wack it about with a hammer ?

singemonkey

They could have made it for $4,000 and still made a very tidy profit on parts, and labour of an immensely skilled luthier. It's kak. Plain and simple.

Bob-Dubery

singemonkey wrote: They could have made it for $4,000 and still made a very tidy profit on parts, and labour of an immensely skilled luthier. It's kak. Plain and simple.

Since there are plenty of wiring diagrams available you could buy a Love Rock, do the mods yourself or get a tech to do them for you, get the guitar setup, buy a 6 pack, buy another 6 pack, buy 4 or 5 sets of strings and have plenty of the folding stuff left over.

If you want it "aged" then come and see when I'm in a foul mood - I won't charge.

chris77

When asked about the global economic crisis Warren Buffet once said something along the lines of You Never Markdown a Swiss Watch. The reason I gather is that once you drop the price at Retail level you lose the magic that gave you the right to charge those high prices in the first place. Your product becomes less desirable and depreciates all current, past and future value. So $25000.00 for that Gibson is worth it for those that buy it. The price tag makes it a very rare collectors item and unless Gibson starts selling them cheap, which is not bloody likely, the value will increase. Think of more as a piece of expensive jewelery than a musical instrument.

Rob-dos

chris77 wrote: When asked about the global economic crisis Warren Buffet once said something along the lines of You Never Markdown a Swiss Watch. The reason I gather is that once you drop the price at Retail level you lose the magic that gave you the right to charge those high prices in the first place. Your product becomes less desirable and depreciates all current, past and future value. So $25000.00 for that Gibson is worth it for those that buy it. The price tag makes it a very rare collectors item and unless Gibson starts selling them cheap, which is not bloody likely, the value will increase. Think of more as a piece of expensive jewelery than a musical instrument.

Its a long term investment.. The guitars are limited but the amount of Jimmy Page fiends that exist are not so it will always be wanted
JP wasnt like the glam rockers who used 50 different crazy looking guitars just for image, he had a select number of guitars all chosen specifically for their sound.. so its HIS guitar and sound

As Jimmy Page is one of my biggest influences i would certainly like to have one..
Im sure everyone would be quite pleased with having a replica of the guitar that made them pick up a guitar in the first place ?

singemonkey

Sure. Agreed. But what they're asking is extortionate. People buying into it will make them appreciate in value. Doesn't mean the price isn't insane. It's a classic market bubble, imo. When people are prepared to pay far more than something's worth. Isn't that the definition?

Bob-Dubery

Rob dos wrote: Its a long term investment.. The guitars are limited but the amount of Jimmy Page fiends that exist are not so it will always be wanted

Nothing to do with the JP fans. There are guys out there (not a few of them) who look at this kind of instrument as an investment and buy it as such.

JP wasnt like the glam rockers who used 50 different crazy looking guitars just for image, he had a select number of guitars all chosen specifically for their sound.. so its HIS guitar and sound

As Jimmy Page is one of my biggest influences i would certainly like to have one..
Im sure everyone would be quite pleased with having a replica of the guitar that made them pick up a guitar in the first place ?

People buy instruments for different reasons. Some buy as investments, some buy them as display pieces.

I can't remember who or what made me want to pick up the guitar - probably it was Dylan, might have been Freddy King or Eric Clapton or Robbie Robertson or Ketih Richards or (not uncommon) the thought that it would make me more popular with my peers or (hubba hubba) the girls. I've never particularly wanted to buy a guitar because somebody whose music I admire plays one like that or endorses it.

I have no real yearning for (obvious example) a Richard Thompson Signature Lowden, and I certainly don't believe that owning one would make me sound anything like him. I also don't believe that it would give any kind of karmic connection with him. I suppose if I wanted to dress in black and put on a beret and pretend to be Richard Thompson whilst nobody else is around then such an instrument might come in handy (though, frustratingly, it's a different combination of woods from the Lowden that he currently plays in concert).

So exclude me from "everyone" ?

Rob-dos

X-rated Bob wrote:
Rob dos wrote: Its a long term investment.. The guitars are limited but the amount of Jimmy Page fiends that exist are not so it will always be wanted
Nothing to do with the JP fans. There are guys out there (not a few of them) who look at this kind of instrument as an investment and buy it as such.
JP wasnt like the glam rockers who used 50 different crazy looking guitars just for image, he had a select number of guitars all chosen specifically for their sound.. so its HIS guitar and sound

As Jimmy Page is one of my biggest influences i would certainly like to have one..
Im sure everyone would be quite pleased with having a replica of the guitar that made them pick up a guitar in the first place ?
People buy instruments for different reasons. Some buy as investments, some buy them as display pieces.

I can't remember who or what made me want to pick up the guitar - probably it was Dylan, might have been Freddy King or Eric Clapton or Robbie Robertson or Ketih Richards or (not uncommon) the thought that it would make me more popular with my peers or (hubba hubba) the girls. I've never particularly wanted to buy a guitar because somebody whose music I admire plays one like that or endorses it.

I have no real yearning for (obvious example) a Richard Thompson Signature Lowden, and I certainly don't believe that owning one would make me sound anything like him. I also don't believe that it would give any kind of karmic connection with him. I suppose if I wanted to dress in black and put on a beret and pretend to be Richard Thompson whilst nobody else is around then such an instrument might come in handy (though, frustratingly, it's a different combination of woods from the Lowden that he currently plays in concert).

So exclude me from "everyone" ?

i said EVERYONE who picked up guitar because of a certain guitar.. you dont know what made you pick up guitar, so you werent included in that statement anyway ?

everyone wants to be original but at the end of the day we are all wannabees arent we? you get a certain guitar and amp because you want a sound, you didnt make that sound up in your head, you heard it.. distortion was a mistake and was developed, some other people did that, if you put an amp to distortion you just copying what some guy did and people thought were cool.. whether you play metal blues classical alternative or anything, you just copying or getting as close to copying someone else because they made that sound/genre and now you are keeping in the confines of that genre by not straying too far from the original sound/s
unless you go and make your own amp and make your own guitar and play with scales that were given to by a native indian in a dream, you are just using tried and tested methods and ideas that are a stolen cliche

i would put it on my wall around all my other guitars, i would just own a priceless piece of art ? in my opinion...

chris77

True Singe, true. I also reckon 25 US big ones is nucking futs for a guitar, no matter how you look at it. But some folks will pay it. The market is there.

DonovanB

I'm sure Tokai will copy it an dsell it for 17k soon...

chris77

Hehe ? At least it wont be a Gibsor signed by Jimmy Puge...

singemonkey

DonovanB wrote: I'm sure Tokai will copy it an dsell it for 17k soon...

Tokai doesn't copy signature models. But ESP does. Here's an Edwards ELP112 - a distressed Jimmy Page Les Paul ?

About R6,500 on special.

Don't worry. I'm not claiming that this thing is of the same quality as a Gibson Custom Shop replica. Nice way for the rest of us to own the Jimmy Page Les Paul though ?

vic

chris77 wrote: True Singe, true. I also reckon 25 US big ones is nucking futs for a guitar, no matter how you look at it. But some folks will pay it. The market is there.

How about R3.5 m for a painting by a SA artist...common these days, or R2.5m for a '59 Les Paul ? People buying these things CAN afford it, so let them. Money is NOT the issue here.

vic

chris77 wrote: When asked about the global economic crisis Warren Buffet once said something along the lines of You Never Markdown a Swiss Watch. The reason I gather is that once you drop the price at Retail level you lose the magic that gave you the right to charge those high prices in the first place. Your product becomes less desirable and depreciates all current, past and future value. So $25000.00 for that Gibson is worth it for those that buy it. The price tag makes it a very rare collectors item and unless Gibson starts selling them cheap, which is not bloody likely, the value will increase. Think of more as a piece of expensive jewelery than a musical instrument.

You're absolutely right. Different people hold different values and tastes..... and when it comes to collectors, it becomes real crazy...however money is not an issue for these people. So don't even think ito value-for-money when analysing this.