inflames
I *love* the Ibby headstock
I feel the same, the Jackson headstock is just as nice!
NorioDS
Ja I schmaak the Jackson but after reading what Alan says about what they do to the strings, I'm a bit less crazy about them but still prefer them to the Gibson and Fender headstocks.
Funny thing is... check out how much emphasis we put on the headstocks when we REALLY should be focusing on our playing, the strings, neck, etc ?
DonovanB
Lol you could use the jackson headstock for many things,
Self-defence.
hunting
peeling an orange...
Norio wrote:
Funny thing is... check out how much emphasis we put on the headstocks when we REALLY should be focusing on our playing, the strings, neck, etc ?
amen...
TomCat
DonovanB wrote:
Lol you could use the jackson headstock for many things,
Self-defence.
hunting
peeling an orange...
Norio wrote:
Funny thing is... check out how much emphasis we put on the headstocks when we REALLY should be focusing on our playing, the strings, neck, etc ?
amen...
LOL.....You forgot coring and apple..... ? ?
inflames
Lol you could use the jackson headstock for many things,
Self-defence.
hunting
peeling an orange...
I once almost took Carine's eye out with the Jackson's headstock!
DonovanB
btw why is this in the recording category?
Wizard
DonovanB wrote:
btw why is this in the recording category?
It's setting all sorts of new records ?
Squonk
Wizard wrote:
DonovanB wrote:
btw why is this in the recording category?
It's setting all sorts of new records ?
Very Sharp Wizard 8)
BMU
DonovanB wrote:
sorry okes... I can't share your gas on this... they all look the same to me. I think its the headstock that puts me off. Its the same across most of the range...
now THIS is Gas-worthy...
Where? Did you forget to poste the image link? All I see is a Fender. ?
MIKA-the-better-one
Donovan that is very lust worth that fender, wtith snazy stripe. For me an ibanez headstock especially is ugly, and overly exagerated, its not as ugly as a fender tele headsock ile give it that but compared to the average headstock on a fender strat does not stand a chance. Its like comapring a cheap sports car to a high class jaguar.
arjunmenon
MIKA the better one wrote:
For me an ibanez headstock especially is ugly, and overly exagerated, its not as ugly as a fender tele headsock ile give it that but compared to the average headstock on a fender strat does not stand a chance.
? You need a new hobby mate! As with most things in the world, what you consider awesome might be so-so to another person and vice versa.
Having said that, IMO Fender necks are bland (i.e. without character). And i suppose you would say the same about Ibanez headstocks.
Fair enough.
I personally prefer the Musicman and Parker headstock styles.
MIKA-the-better-one
hence the words in my statement "For me" implying to the fact that this statement may not hold true to everyone.
baseline
No comment. !! we don’t have to lower ourselves to this kind of nonsensical outburst of thoughtlessness . BAD FORM MAN. >☹
Jaen-Pierre-Dowling
I waited 'till last, only to say that I've got the solution to each and every single guitar-related problem that has ever occurred... ?
Guthrie Govan.... ?
Yip, haha, this is weird, but here's where I'm coming from :
1. Instrumental genius-ness (haha). On the Erotic Cakes album, this guy pulls out all the stops. He shreds like a deaaaamon, has such an immense amount of soul (and feel) in his playing, he nails everything perfectly live (which doesn't seem like much, but we've all seen the Dragonforce clips ?), and, most importantly, he writes really, really good music. (Wet slippery thing, Slidey Boy etc.)
2. Image. Never, ever has looking like a caveman really helped your guitar-playing career, so I can confirm that this isn't why he's looking like he does (haha), and his guitar doesn't really reveal his personalty either. Him playing that guitar looks damn sexy though (in the most manly possible way haha), and his accent really takes the (erotic) cake for me haha! (wow, that's lame ?)
3. Gear. If we all follow his example (by exhausting our bank accounts) and start playing a Suhr and a Cornford there'll be no arguing about Fenders vs. Ibanez's and Marshall's vs. Mesa's because we'll be more than happy with the tone that we'll be getting out of them, and as far as upgrading's concerned, you've pretty much hit the top. ? (this is obviously just a joke seeing that everyone has his/her own taste!)
So there you have it, let's make the mighty Guthrie Govan our new god, and then we'll be able to blabber about the petrol price and Victor Wooten's Fodera bass all day long without having to argue about anything irrelevant...! ?
Bob-Dubery
Jaen-Pierre Dowling wrote:
1. Instrumental genius-ness (haha). On the Erotic Cakes album, this guy pulls out all the stops. He shreds like a deaaaamon, has such an immense amount of soul (and feel) in his playing, he nails everything perfectly live (which doesn't seem like much, but we've all seen the Dragonforce clips ?), and, most importantly, he writes really, really good music. (Wet slippery thing, Slidey Boy etc.)
I disagree entirely. He has massive chops for sure. Technically he is one of the most impressive musicians I have seen/heard. But the technique [is the end, not a means. The songs are essentially a technical exercise or display. It's superficially impressive but ultimately shallow. Take away the guitar fireworks and you'll have nothing - so how good are the compositions really?
Bob-Dubery
This clip
illustrates the problem perfectly.
It's a Stevie Wonder composition. Jeff Beck recorded an instrumental version of this on his Blow By Blow album and Govan is clearly out to emulate Jeff Beck's recording.
Go on! Compare the two. Early on this version Govan is getting all the notes right, but by the time the drums kick in it's already no contest. You want to hear emotion in instrumental electric guitar playing then listen to Blow By Blow and especially listen to Beck's introduction on this same composition. Govan's not getting close to the emotion, the sensivity, the sheer humanity that Beck infuses his version with.
Beck (or Roy Buchanan, who Beck was paying tribute to with his recording) can break your heart with this kind of instrumental. Govan's just running around showing you how well endowed he is. Ditto Sheehan.
chris77
Uh-oh Bob, you just called another emperor naked. This should be fun...
Jaen-Pierre-Dowling
First things first...
Peace be upon that poor guy who voiced his opinion a little harshly the first time and has now been crucified by the same people he so dearly wants to be associated with. ? We are all guitarists (or the majority of us are?), yet we ALWAYS manage to infuriate each other about the stupidest things imaginable! ?
Bob, I don't know how old you are, but seeing that I'm 18, you could probably be in my dad's league, so please don't take offense in my opinions. ?
My initial post was just an effort to, with the addition of some humor, try to resolve (in a joking, non-serious way) the conflict that previously arose from this thread, but unfortunately replies like yours (formed by personal opinions, which obviously makes them more than relevant) causes people to loose their tempers (after reading through this thread, a lot of guys have fallen pray to that virus), and therefore I'd just like to have an honest and friendly discussion with you regarding your statements. (No Mexican standoff's or Russian Roulette tactics required here... ? )
I don't think that anyone would necessarily argue that THE Govan has a lack of technique (neither does THE Vai nor THE Satriani haha, although I just don't prefer there playing either ? ). I (for myself of course) do however, disagree when it comes to his "shallowness". I feel that if you want to play that card, I'd like to say that the Bach's (all of them), mister Malmsteen, mister Laiho (of Children of Bodom fame), mister Becker, MISTER HAMMETT, the misters of Dragonforce, and while we're at it, even mister Petrucci (yes, I did) has built a career on what could be described as exercises, so not much "depth" there either. And now a few guys would be jumping up objecting the previous, and I'd just state the obvious - it's just a matter of opinion...
As for the cover that Guthrie attempts, I completely get where you're coming from and I concur, yet I'd also like to see Jeff Beck or Roy Buchanan (my age probably explains it, but who is this guy? ? ) attempt something from Erotic Cakes. What I meant is that each and every artist is totally unique in regards to pretty much every aspect of his playing, so it would be pretty ridiculous to fault Guthrie for not being good at imitation (although some bands are masters at stealing other people's styles and ideas haha). ? But as I said, I respect your opinion on that topic.
What this entire thread comes down to is, I think Guthrie Govan is awesome in every single way, and Bob doesn't (with all due respect Bob ? ), one guy thinks Ibanez sucks, and the others think Steve Vai is God. In the end, you (and this refers to everyone) know that the opinions you have won't change, yet you want to force them down someone else's throat. This is the beauty of being yourself, you get to choose who and what you prefer, (although "Ibanez" won't fall into this categoty for me ? ) but by doing so, you're also subconsciously putting yourself out there to be criticized, so be prepared (and mature enough) to deal with it in a orderly fashion. ?
Renesongs
Govan's just running around showing you how well endowed he is. Ditto Sheehan.
I don't feel that exercising a bit of speed and technical prowess equates to being a show off and unmusical. Listen to People like John Coltrain, Chick Corea, Mclaughlin, Al Dimealo, Stanley Clark, Victor Wooten, all speed merchants that use every ounce of there technique to express themselves. I feel that Govan and Sheehan interpreted the piece pretty faithfully but not IMhO as well as these two
but seeing that I'm 18, you could probably be in my dad's league, so please don't take offense in my opinions
Be careful there are a lot of old rockers on this forum - If you watched the attached clip you may have noticed quite a considerable age gap between Tal Wikenfeld (19) and Jeff Beck (63) circa 2007
Jaen-Pierre-Dowling
I only mentioned my age so that everyone could see that I'm still really young (but I'm not trying to be a wise-ass or anything) and that I'm inferior in years haha so I still have a lot to learn, but I just wanted to voice my opinion. ?
I think this is the great thing about this forum, anyone, of any age can share their love for guitars with everyone else, and what is the point in enjoying something if you've got to keep it to yourself? ?
Peace be upon every rocker of any age haha! ?
