Manfred-Klose
There's 2 songs on myspace, one is a rock n roll type song, and the other one is symphony song.
I love it when people is honest, so please be honest and tell what you think.
one of the songs has about 4 different genres in..........
myspace.com/manfredsmusicprofile
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http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=365412168
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AlanRatcliffe
Murder of Crows is good solid rock. Some good melodic ideas and decent playing. Mix is a bit rough and the recording of the drums is not great (done in a bad sounding room I think). An extra bonus 10 points for knowing the collective noun for crows is a murder.
March once again shows strong sense of melody, but needs fleshing out a bit with some more orchestration.
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Manfred-Klose
Thanks.
The drums were in a very large live room(10 x 8 meters), well it is large for a south african studio live room.
I recorded the drums on a old 24 multitrack tape machine, the drums sounds kind of muddy.
it was recorded at the Cape Audio College studios for a project.
The march theme was just some thing i wanted to try in cubase with the plugins, but would like to record it with real instruments
Manfred-Klose
Oh and some of the mixing have been done on yamaha ns-10 monitors, a little to bright sounding.
AlanRatcliffe
Manfred Klose wrote:
Oh and some of the mixing have been done on yamaha ns-10 monitors, a little to bright sounding.
I know exactly what you mean. Lots of detail, but absolutely no bass at all. ? I trained on NS-10s and eventually you get the hang of them, but mixes always need to be checked on the mains.
andrewjbryson
a bit off the topic....
Anyone seen the Simpsons episode of Homer on medicinal marijuana?
My Favourite part :
Moe : this is a crow bar (see its got all the little crow stools and everything)
sorry, thought of this when i saw the "Murder of Crows" title
cool track dude!
sepheritoh
Hi Manfred
Murder of crows features some great guitar playing. March theme has really great melody. The orchestration is a bit retro sound and one dimentional. A good strings sound and a bit more detail can make that a great tune. I agree that the mixes are a bit rough, but really great tunes.
Thanks for sharing.
Riaan
Manfred, great tunes!
Renesongs
Murder of the Crows - great track man - recording live drums must have been quite a mission especially at CAC ?
Manfred-Klose
Well that is kind of a strange story on own.
For our final project we had to record a live band, well the day that i had to record the band, there was something wrong with the mixer, Audient Asp48(basically nothing functioned the way it should).
That is when my killer instinct kicked in and i remebered that i recorded live drums a while back and i could add guitars to the drums to make a complete song......deadline 2 weeks........!!!!!
I recorded a punk drum solo, basically i had to write the song in super shredder mode(1 day), it ended being the best song i ever wrote and got my degree at the same time.
Seems like the best song would be your 5 min writing songs, just add lots of attitude and your half way there.
My story sounds like a sequel to a movie, i'm sorry being so dramatic.
but thats about it.
Thanks for comments, Rock on and kick ass in the music industry, only those with the best attidude will survive........
AlanRatcliffe
As a matter of interest Manfred, did you do the course to learn more for yourself? Or were you told you could have a career as an engineer?
I often wonder how the audio colleges expect anyone to find work in the field, when they are each churning out graduates at a rate of hundreds a year. After all, there are only what, a dozen or so studios above the owner/operator level that actually hire people?
Also, some of the smaller ones seem to be turning out graduates that have never handled a decent desk or used a good microphone. I met a guy recently who was a "qualified" engineer, but had no idea what masking was or how to set up a sidechain. The mind boggles.
Renesongs
Not such a strange story, I did a music producers diploma course at CAC 2 years ago. As I recall it, they had a lot of sophisticated equipment on show but the stuff we got use in the studio's was trash, I ended up doing my project using my modest but working home studio. To top it all the "lecturer" of the course was as lucid as lab rat on acid. For my R9k worth I should publish his lecture notes as a comic on how not to go about managing and producing music and musicians >☹ From your recording I gather that your experience of CAC has been a lot more beneficial ?
Renesongs
I see I'm not the only one flaming these institutions - I mean the level of skill and experience of the guys teaching these courses is dismal. The guy who was teaching us the business end of the music industry had no aptitude for basic arithmetic and even less for law. He insisted, even after many interjections by myself, that there are two types of lawyers in South Africa Barristers and Solicitors >☹.
The reason I did the course is that I wanted to get into doing music in the film industry,which said lecturer assured me he knew all about. When It came to the crunch he knew sweet F-all about the film industry or about soundtracks let alone what a drop-down frame rate was.
Sorry to hijack your thread Manfred - Good Tracks - keep on rocking
Manfred-Klose
This one goes out to Alan and Rene.
I wanted to know more about everything in audio so i went to CAC, i learned a lot there, but most of it was self taught at the end. I did the Sound engineering course, only 10 out of 60 people graduated the course, at least i know what the value of money is, so i worked my ass of.
At the beginning i ask them if there is work out there, they said there are plenty........well nothing came of that again.
I wanted to do the producers course in august, but it seems like i should rather spend the money on my home studio, since i am recording from home, and had a few clients so far ,i could go the independed route.
Would that be choice Rene?
AlanRatcliffe
"If you want to get laid, go to college, but if you want an education, go to the library" -
Frank Zappa
Or by the sound of it, If you want to get
screwed, go to college... ?
Seriously though, there are so many books, video courses and online classes out there that are being done by experienced professionals with major credits. Take a look at
http://www.audiomasterclass.com, and specifically at
David Mellor's bio. I mean why take a second-rate course from someone who, If he knew anything at all, would be out there recording/producing bands himself?
I did a full two year course years ago which was great - It was six months before we even moved beyond theory. But given the choice again, I'd buy a few books and a course or two and do it myself.
At the end of the day, nothing guarantees you a job in a studio - there's not enough work to go around. But if you want to learn, the info is out there, all you have to do is reach out and grab it and then apply yourself to learning it.
Renesongs
No seriously, I take it as my duty to a fellow musician to say - do not do the producers course at CAC it is bullshit. I don't know if the same individual runs the course (his surname rhymes with "the-phoney") - besides I would be quite happy to donate the course notes to you - they should be good for a laugh.
Manfred-Klose
s phoney......yep hes still there.
That would be great if you can give me the notes, do live somewhere in cape town?
maby there is some info i could make use of.
Mr-M
To just add to some of the above comments:
If you live in JHB don't do the course at Allenby! I know several guys who've done the course & I'm convinced some of them know less about the recording process than your average guitarist - which is to say, not very much at all!
Most of these graduates I've met seem to have an attittude of superiority about them as if they know it all, but in fact on closer questioning they really don't. All the gear and no idea is applicable.
I have to agree with Alan: where are all these "graduates" going to work in the music industry considering there is very little work available at real studios? Probably behind the counter of your local CD store or Musical instrument store with the same big attittude and the same lack of knowledge AND experience.
Even if you do by some miracle have a solid grounding in the practical application of studio recording techniques by the end of your course, what then? If you don't find work in a studio, will you start your own studio? Besides the capital expenditure, just having a certificate doesn't guarantee you clients. Experience is still yet to be gathered and likewise the contacts that will send business your way. For most guys it will end up being something they do at night, on weekends or not at all.
If you want to make money, don't get involved in the music industry...
Manfred-Klose
I'm already involved in the music industry, i'm getting involved with live sound at the moment, there's not much money in the music industry, but at the end of the it is who you know that will get you a job.
5 tips for getting a job in music industry:
1.contacts
2.contacts.
3.contacts.
4.contacts.
5.experience.
If you dont have contacts, you dont have experience!!
to prove my point.
Riaan
On this topic of musical careers - I don't know a thing about the music industry - what's the situation in this country with regards to audio libraries or banks, if that's what it's called. Similar to photography, where one provides photographs to a photo bank who in turn markets and sells pictures to magazines, etc. I would imagine that TV producers, advertising agencies and so on would buy audio material from an audio library rather than commission someone to specifically compose for say, a wildlife documentary or a TV advert? Is there such an industry locally? Is it possible to at least have a hobby pay for itself this way?
