Re: Antonio Torres fab info for the classical /nylon lovers

Bob-Dubery

Keira WitherKay wrote
X-rated Bob wrote Yep. It's almost like an onset of anti-GAS.
yep thats a great feeling Bob when you find the guitar you like....... and then the GAS just disapates....... i'm there too....

and yeah Bob if i was a steel string player and had a Morgan especially one that sounds as great plugged in as yours i would also look no further ... till you have that bottomless budget....

truly bob your Morgan is great sounding plugged... i hope other steel acoustic players get to hear it and look into the brand....

The bottomless budget is the thing. I popped into Music Connection on the weekend and ended up test driving this thoroughly amazing Breedlove Phoenix. Very lovely to look at, which is one thing, but the tone, the playability (and this shop don't set the guitars up when they put them on display), the intonation, the projection.... this guitar is from some other dimension.

"Only" R45K, though from what I've seen they'll knock something off of the sticker price fairly quickly, but still....

It impressed me more than that fab Lowden I got to play in Norwich in June. OK... it costs a little more too. But the Lowden is easy to forget, after all it's in Norwich. This Breedlove is sitting in Jan Smuts Avenue, just up the road from Hyde Park Corner.

Anyhoo, I bought some strings and went home. Restrung the Morgan and you know it doesn't sound bad. But that Breedlove.

Hmmm... I do have TWO kidneys.

The Morgan brand... the guitars are very good for the money. They're quite similar to Larrivee. The luthier, David Iannone, did his apprenticeship at Larrivee. So the Morgans are in top-end Larrivee territory.

There was an agent here in SA - no less than Hugh Cumming. Hugh bought somewhere between 20 and 2 dozen Morgans into the country. Then the deal collapsed. I don't know the whole story, but there was a shipment that arrived with spoiled finishes (these are brand new guitars) and there was a botched custom order. Andy McGibbon got a lot of work out of this lot (Hugh had the guitars refinished at his own expense).

Very lekker guitars. Nothing at all wrong with them. The guys who have them are generally very happy with them.

Keira-WitherKay

yeah Bob that bottomless budget is the decider........ if you have the 50K to spend on a guitar and your bond can do without it then i say yeah buy the guitar .... but to most 50 K is a lot of moola especially when the guitar you have is well made and plays beautifully....... and Bob i have spent a lifetime listening to acoustics... and i agree most 50 - 100K instruments sound beautiful unplugged.......but when ever we gig..or even play at athe folk club we plug em in ......and that is the greatest test if you a gigging muso...or even one who performs part time.... we all heard the expensive laravee's and other customs sounding dismal plugged in .... heheh tremember that TJ's where that girl had the awesome steel string sound when played in comparison to other top end guitars ...and you still said she was playing a cort .... ok she was a great player very neat and precise but thats the point ..... she has a 3K if that much guitar and sounds onstage better than the 30K customs.... the tone was in her fingers and playing technique not the guitar ........

so yeah Bob never talk down your Morgan.... it has an awesome plugged sound..... and a great feel ....... and sure tone is personal but everytime i seen you play the morgan it sounds awesome and has great tone....

but yeah blessed with a bottomless budget we would all be buying our "dream guitars" but not cos we need em.... but just cos we can.....

yeah i think the music industry plays on our GAS ...... and if we just rather worked on our playing skills..... we can make the guitars we have sound much better ........ much much better ...amazing what some skill can do for ones sound....

Peace and light
keira

PeteM

Keira WitherKay wrote yeah i think the music industry plays on our GAS ...... and if we just rather worked on our playing skills..... we can make the guitars we have sound much better ........ much much better ...amazing what some skill can do for ones sound....

+1 Keira

Bob-Dubery

Keira WitherKay wrote yeah Bob that bottomless budget is the decider........ if you have the 50K to spend on a guitar and your bond can do without it then i say yeah buy the guitar .... but to most 50 K is a lot of moola especially when the guitar you have is well made and plays beautifully....... and Bob i have spent a lifetime listening to acoustics... and i agree most 50 - 100K instruments sound beautiful unplugged.......but when ever we gig..or even play at athe folk club we plug em in ......and that is the greatest test if you a gigging muso...or even one who performs part time.... we all heard the expensive laravee's and other customs sounding dismal plugged in .... heheh tremember that TJ's where that girl had the awesome steel string sound when played in comparison to other top end guitars ...and you still said she was playing a cort .... ok she was a great player very neat and precise but thats the point ..... she has a 3K if that much guitar and sounds onstage better than the 30K customs.... the tone was in her fingers and playing technique not the guitar ........

Sure. The player makes the tone as well. But I do think there are people who do not get as much as they could out of their guitars because they don't get it set up properly, or because they buy a good guitar and then have a crap pickup fitted or they don't change strings.

Or they bought an EXPENSIVE guitar that isn't a GOOD guitar.

I think the thing is to be concerned about your sound. Then you'll start to make differences in various ways. The player you referred to is Deborah Gill, and she is particular about her guitar sounding as good as it can, even though it is a relatively humble instrument. So she's explored the EQ options on the guitar (it has a built-in pre-amp) and understands them and knows how to use them. Plus she's figured out how to shape her nails etc etc. All these things add up, and I think it comes from caring about the sound in the first place. Another good example is Mike Burger, who you have heard and who can make just about any guitar sound better.

so yeah Bob never talk down your Morgan....

OK... I'll buy it flowers on the way home ?

Keira-WitherKay

so yeah Bob never talk down your Morgan....

OK... I'll buy it flowers on the way home ?

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hey Bob guitars have feelings too ...........hheheheheh

but on a more serious note... i do feel that if the player loves his/her guitar no matter what it is... he/she will perform better on it.... performing music is a complicated issue... and a mixture of emotions and skills..... and if you doubt your instrument you will play like it does not sound great or will let you down.... so show it some love or if you can't replace it with an instrument you do feel attatched/attracted to and just watch your playing and feel improve..... music is not a technical skill alone but quite a spiritual one too ....... the Zen of guitar ... we need to write and have a discussion about that i guess.......

Bob-Dubery

Keira WitherKay wrote

so yeah Bob never talk down your Morgan....
OK... I'll buy it flowers on the way home ?
hey Bob guitars have feelings too ...........

And you gotta be REAL careful. After all you might take it some nice flowers and it say's "I was that age once! You bastard!"

It's like telling your wife you like her new hairstyle. The reaction you get is not necessarily the one you expected.

singemonkey

Keira WitherKay wrote so what i'm saying is torres is just the guy who placed the cherry on the top of the design .... and deserves all credit for that but NOT the guy who invented the guitar....... cos even in the century before the guitar was still recognisable as such just with different arrangement of strings and tunings ect ect

Yes. Was just saying that before him, it was not really in the running for most popular instrument. He made it sound better and made it louder. Then all the instruments' other fine attributes could come into play - making it the ubiquitous musical instrument at almost every occasion that it is today ?

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