MARSHALL DSL100 HEAD JCM2000 swop for 6505+

shadow1

I have a friend that owns a MARSHALL dsl100 head from the JCM2000 series. I know he had some problems with it,that he had to knock it on top to work.
(he doesnt look after his gear that well)

I checked it out on the net and it seems VERY flexible.I figured i could use it for all my musciall taistes blues/rock/hardocre/metal etc.

Are these amps still easily available locally? I am considering doing a trade with him as he really wants my head.
Not sure if its worth it or not? (my head is SO new/well looked after,his is abit battered) So i would trade my peavey 6505+ head for his marshall DSL100 head.

love to hear everyones thoughts about that head aswell as if its worth a trade?thanks.

*IS THERE NO ONES ON THIS FORUM THATS HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE DSL100? :'(

mattyd

hahaha looks like the guy who lives around the corner from you is gonna have to give some sort of answer here ?

I've played both amps and I would say that they are VERY different beasts.
I would highly recommend testing the DSL with your setup first before even thinking about swopping.

My personal experience with the DSL is that it sounds very harsh and toppy on it's own, but it seems to sit quite nicely in a mix.
Just don't expect your Classic 30's warmth.
Also, compared to the 6505+, it's seriously lacking in the lower mids department.
Obviously, whatever cab you end up using can make a big difference (I've only played it through a JCM900 cab and a 1960A cab - both of which aren't particularly known for their warmth) so that's why I say try it out for yourself.

If you like the sound and it sits well with you then I think it would be a fair-ish trade. I know how well you look after your gear so I would say to him that you would trade it but if something goes wrong with it within the first month or so then he's gotta pay to fix it... or something to that extent.

inflames

How about you sell me the 6505+, then you can shop for a JCM2000 in a good condition.

shadow1

inflames wrote How about you sell me the 6505+, then you can shop for a JCM2000 in a good condition.

I know you REALLY want it ? but its too expensive to sell, I got quoted yesterday about R25k to get it new at the moment through local shops!

mattyd

Wow that's ridiculous!!
No offense, it's a great amp, but R25 000 for it is THREE TIMES the price it would be in the States.
It's going for about $1 159 NEW. At the current rate that's R8 576,60.... you do the math ?

Severely raped in this country when it comes to gear.

I went looking for a DSL100 a while back and they were asking for about R18 000 if I remember correctly.
Try find a DSL50. Slightly cheaper but apparently a more vibey tone going on.

Once again though, try it through your setup before making any decisions.

shadow1

mattyd wrote Wow that's ridiculous!!
No offense, it's a great amp, but R25 000 for it is THREE TIMES the price it would be in the States.
It's going for about $1 159 NEW. At the current rate that's R8 576,60.... you do the math ?

Severely raped in this country when it comes to gear.

I went looking for a DSL100 a while back and they were asking for about R18 000 if I remember correctly.
Try find a DSL50. Slightly cheaper but apparently a more vibey tone going on.

Once again though, try it through your setup before making any decisions.

YEH! its crazy how much we pay in SA but what can we do? guess if i hold onto the head long enough i will be able to sell it to pay for my house ? it wasnt even R9k 2 years ago when i got it!

Vick

Thers a 6505+ at the one local shop...going for R18000...and i thout that was mad...

inflames

Thers a 6505+ at the one local shop...going for R18000

What shop?

shadow1, I know the guy that sold you that peavey 6505+ ?

shadow1

inflames wrote
Thers a 6505+ at the one local shop...going for R18000
What shop?

shadow1, I know the guy that sold you that peavey 6505+ ?

YO bro, Marshall music???? Graham was the person.?

mattyd

Oi Don, when are you gonna update your gear list in your signature with the Epiphone Custom? ?

Vick

@inflames

World'o'muisic,polokwane...but i travil 2 pta a lot(ur from pta write)...pm me if u need transport or sumthing man,and im going there later 2day,wil let u know if they stil have it(chanses r gooood,its been ther for like a year)

inflames

Thanks Vic, let me know if they still have it and at what price.

Tokai-SA

mattyd wrote Wow that's ridiculous!!
No offense, it's a great amp, but R25 000 for it is THREE TIMES the price it would be in the States.
It's going for about $1 159 NEW. At the current rate that's R8 576,60.... you do the math ?

Severely raped in this country when it comes to gear.

I went looking for a DSL100 a while back and they were asking for about R18 000 if I remember correctly.

I almost failed maths in matric, but let me try.

Retail R 25,000....let's take off 30% (anyone can get less 30 at a store, just insist), that equals R 17,500

$1200 in the States = about R 9 600 at R 8 to the Dollar.
Let's add shipping @ around $300 (if you have connections to ship it to you), = R2 400
So we're at R 12 000
Import duty on amps would make the R 12 000 about R 13 900...if you're lucky.
+ VAT makes it R 15 850

So where's the "rape"? ?

chris77

Well, if not raped, then lets just say that in S.A. the cost of having consentual intercourse with a partner of your choice is a lot higher than in the States... According to Wiki the average Joe in the U.S earns 32 thou a year. In rand terms that would earn you a little under 300 a year locally - placing you way above the average and snuggly in the upper middleclass. So if we forget about how the costs are calculated and only focus on the shelf prices, it would mean that an average american will have to spend less than half his monthly income to own that amp, while a way above average earner in S.A. will have to part with his whole paycheck for the same amp. So Billy Bob with no formal education can buy his amp and still have enough left over to pay the bills, but I cant. We all agree that profits must be made and I dont think anybody seriously thinks we get screwed by the dealers and agents. Everwhere in the world imports cost more. Basic economic rule, so live with it. But it still makes us green with envy when we see what our brethren overseas have to fork out for the gear we mostly only dream of...

mattyd

chris77 wrote Well, if not raped, then lets just say that in S.A. the cost of having consentual intercourse with a partner of your choice is a lot higher than in the States... According to Wiki the average Joe in the U.S earns 32 thou a year. In rand terms that would earn you a little under 300 a year locally - placing you way above the average and snuggly in the upper middleclass. So if we forget about how the costs are calculated and only focus on the shelf prices, it would mean that an average american will have to spend less than half his monthly income to own that amp, while a way above average earner in S.A. will have to part with his whole paycheck for the same amp. So Billy Bob with no formal education can buy his amp and still have enough left over to pay the bills, but I cant. We all agree that profits must be made and I dont think anybody seriously thinks we get screwed by the dealers and agents. Everwhere in the world imports cost more. Basic economic rule, so live with it. But it still makes us green with envy when we see what our brethren overseas have to fork out for the gear we mostly only dream of...

100%

I understand it's a necessary evil, but what I can't understand is why RETAILERS have to BUY gear at RETAIL prices?! ???
That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
They aren't retail stores then. They are importers, or just shipping companies.

In other words, if the retail price in the States is $800, then the general street price would be closer to $600.
They are still making a profit at $600. Which means that, at MOST, they are probably buying it for $500 (and that's with a pretty shocking mark-up). Many of these stores offer free shipping to the continental US. Factor this into the cost (because, even if they've got a deal with Fedex or UPS, they are still gonna have to pay something for it and factor it into their profit margins), and you're looking at them buying the item for about $460.

Look, I know it works out in the end, and I'm definitely not suggesting that guys shouldn't be making a living. I'm just agreeing with Chris77, it just bums me out that something that should cost R6000 but it's actually closer to R11 500.

Importing sucks! :'(

vic

I think the bottomline is buy 2nd hand......buying new is like throwing at least 30% in the water..! just toooo much depreciation.

Gearhead

chris77 wrote lets just say that in S.A. the cost of having consentual intercourse with a partner of your choice is a lot higher than in the States

I thought that and sunlight were the only two free good things in life? :-\

aja

Gearhead wrote
chris77 wrote lets just say that in S.A. the cost of having consentual intercourse with a partner of your choice is a lot higher than in the States
I thought that and sunlight were the only two free good things in life? :-\

Haha! Gearhead, get with the times! Inflation, depreciation, economic crisis... Yes those are all medical terms hehehe

Tokai-SA

Here's an example.
A Marshall JVM410 Combo costs $2600 in the USA.

$2600 x 8 = R 20,800

Musicmadness are selling one right here for R 19,999.00

chris77

Wow, thats a great deal no matter how you do the math. If only everything was priced comparatively that well there would be a lot less complaints for sure.I honestly still think we pay fair prices in SA, I just sometimes wish I could buy better gear as easily as the yanks and brits can.