HELP gt10 vs pod xt live

shadow1 · 2009-10-13T15:50:43+00:00

Ok i know this has been discussed before but hear me out. comparing gt10 - pod x3 live or gt8 to pod xt live... I perviously owned a gt6 and got rif of it for stomp boxes because i got SO frustrated with its DIGITAL NESS type of sound, no matter how much i tweaked it my sound was sterile/digital/thin. However, playing live i have no idea how to tap dance my pedal board so much so i was thinking of keeping an eye out for a multi FX 2nd hand. I played my friends pod xt live (older one) through headphones and it sounded pretty damn good. I also LOVED the PC interface,made editing patched feel more real ? and way simpler, didnt need to read the manual even. (my gt6 became difficult when i hadnt used it in 2 years to do some advance editing) So in my experience the LINE 6 units win but i know gt8 and gt10 have since been released and im keen to hear everyones thoughts. my application would be metal (think as i lay dying / killswitch engage) rock (billy talent / afi / muse / guns n roses) and BLUES ( SRV / hendrix ) I would run it into my peavey classic 30 VALVE AMP (i heard you can plug it into the effects loop or sumin so that the amp doesnt COLOUR it in any way) ( a nice portable rig for live purposes (and my herniated back ☹ )

Tokai-SA

BMU wrote I use a POD XT but not BOSS GT. The way I understand it is like guitarboy2828 said; the POD is primarily an amp. The insides are different, computer algorithms instead of valves, but that is it's purpose in life, to be an amp. You wouldn't primarily plug a POD into an amp, because it already is an amp. It goes straight to the PA/mixing desk. It has some effects added of course. (Ok a lot of effects.) And yes you CAN plug it into an amp...but why would you pay for the amp simulation part of it then, if you just want a multi-effects unit. (Unless it's actually cheaper.)

Keep in mind the Pod and all other digital modellers are Pre-Amps, not amps...that's the problem, there's no poweramp modelling in any of these units.
Now Line 6 might tell us that they're modelling the poweramp as well as the Pre-amp in their Pods, but they're not...that's their 'kak' story. ?

Plugging a Pod into the Effects Loop of your amp bypasses the Pre-Amp and only uses the amps poweramp, which is a legitimate way to use any Pre-Amp modeller.
Plugging into the input of the amp is a definite no no, because that's a Pre-Amp into a second Pre-Amp, which will colour the modellers tone for sure.

Having said all that, I find the Pod/Line 6 amp modelling is way better than the COSM Boss stuff, but the Boss modellers are way better when it comes to FX...and the Vox Tonelab has the most 'organic' tubelike amp modelling of them all.
A friend of mine, great great guitarist, plugged his Tonelab SE into my Rivera Fandango the other day and blew my mind, his patches sounded awesome.

AlanRatcliffe

Tokai SA wrote Keep in mind the Pod and all other digital modellers are Pre-Amps, not amps...that's the problem, there's no poweramp modelling in any of these units.
Now Line 6 might tell us that they're modelling the poweramp as well as the Pre-amp in their Pods, but they're not...that's their 'kak' story. ?

No, they model the entire amp. They model in preamp, power amp and even the power supply. Then they model the speaker and cabinet as a separate unit. What they don't do, is allow you access to mix and match the different sections from different amps. If they didn't model the power amp, there would be no difference between a JTM45 and a Bassman.

Tokai-SA

Alan

They say they model everything, but I have my doubts.

Line 6 said they'd never use tubes in their amps, they said they dont need to, and then along came the Spider Valve with a tube poweramp...funny thing is the Spider Valve is basically a Pod 2 Pre-Amp, in fact the DI's are completely Pod 2....and I'm betting there's a Vetta Valve sitting waiting to be released as soon as the time is right.

They also say they modelled different mic placements, no ways, all they did was create different EQ presets and called them different mic placements.
Of course the speaker sims are based on where the Line 6 engineers decided to place the mic in front of the speaker, and many believe they placed the mic in the wrong place, thus all the speaker sims are very "honky", very nasal sounding.
Listen to the clip, listen how honky and nasal the tone is when the EQ turns off, and how much better it is when the EQ is on...it starts with EQ on (lowering round about the 2,5K frequency)...no doubt in my mind they positioned the mic wrong when doing their speaker sims.

Another thing, how does one get poweramp distortion with a Pod running into a PA, if they modelled the poweramp then surely turning up the master should get poweramp distortion like we get when we crank our tube amps?

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