cain
Well sorry to burst out and all, but this issue is driving me up the wall now. I almost strangled the one guy at church yesterday. He complains about my "sound" yesterday and says my distortion sucks. Everyone that knows their business always tells me how amazing it sounds. The comment that almost broke me "you cant hear the difference in notes" on my high gain distortion. In a band environment isnt it about if your sound "mixes" in with the band ? My sound has always been done in a way that it does sound a bit crappy on its own, but put it in with a band or backtrack and it sounds really nice.
Id love to here your guys opinion on this ?
dirkv
Dude, i have one word for that, JEALOUSY.
JoeyBones
I think all guitarists have been at the receiving end of uneducated comments at one time or another. We've had moe than our far share of arguments with our sound guys.
I don't have the best ear for tone, but you can tell when someones is talking a load of crap.
dirkv
Sound guys giving Guitarist a problem, WOW, i have never heard of that ;D
Dude, don't sweat the comments from that dude, he probably wishes he had your tone and skill!
I agree with JoeyBones, everybody has been on the receiving end of some sort of comment. Don't sweat it.
Keep Rocking out!!!
cain
This guy is a pretty good guitarist but more of a pop rock player. He gets his arrogance from being in a pretty popular pop rock band some years ago.
JoeyBones
Some guys think they're GOD's gift to the music world. I've met some really cool guitarists and some really arrogant guys who treat you like your an idiot. I guees you just have to remember why you do what you do and be the bigger man.
cain
Yeah true bones
JoeyBones
Or you could grab him in a parking lot and beat the snot out of him, but we wouldn't do that ... not again }:0)
Just kidding.
Graeme
As soon as you put yourself on a public stage people tend to think that you're public property and feel a need to give you unsolicited advice.
Kinds of things I've heard at gigs:
"Your band is great, but if you really want to make it you need to play some John Denver"
"I like your playing, but you should hear the previous guitarist who played here, he's much better"
"My uncle/brother/wife/dog can play that better/faster/louder"
"You're OK but I saw this other guy who can play guitar with his teeth"
Gotta learn to laugh it off and only take serious advice from people you respect.
cain
Well yeah, this guy is the band coordinator so its a bit more tricky than that. If he doesn't like my sound and dun want my to play anymore ill just go to another church and used my talents there. I dont have the cash to go buy other pedals now so i dun care bout his power trip.
JoeyBones
Other churches you say Francis ... hint hint }:0)
I'm just kidding. Your welcome to come check our church out. That said you need to make sure you're in the place you were meant to be and it's not necessarily where you want to be. We have to endure hardship to grow ... Funny enough our pastor preached about this last night.
As nice as it is being in our music ministry, I've had my share of challenges and I think there will be more. I think of them as character building exercises.
BTW we're having a bit of a praise celebration thing once a month during our a sunday evening slot. Our next one is this coming Sunday. You should come check it out.
cain
Ill make a plan, if im not booked at this church then ill skip and come look at your service ? If you ever need help, im sure ill be able to help out hehe. Its not the being tough part thats my issue, this is one of many times ive been treated as if i dont know what im doing. They always look down at me and thats whats make me irritated.
I bought a GPS the weekend bones, so now ill easily find Rema south ?
kayDUB
Ahhhh, the good old electric guitarist in church issue... hehehe!
One thing I always try remember is that I'm not really playing in church for me, its to lead/enable the people to worship...
That being said, I'm not really a high gain guitarist... and with my setup its easy to dail down a bit.
I think a good thing is to play as accessably (?) in church as possible and then have a more of a band outlet where you can let loose! 8)
The conflict usually comes down to taste, but some people just like to be in charge too!
I've also learnt that a lot of people don't know nearly as much as they make out to, no matter how successful they are/have been. So I take into account what people say, but you can't listen to everyone!
But in your case the guy is kinda the band co-ordinator, so that makes it really tough!
cain
Yeah but the other guitarist that plays also uses a HIGH gain and he never gets trouble, im pretty sure the rocktron rampage has as much gain as my high gain. The other thing is, he also does not like my drive, he once said i must used an light overdrive for a part, so i used my tubescreamer TS-808 and he said that, that wasnt an overdrive sound. He also does not like my carl martin hot drive and boosts sound. I have some HOT pedals and they are not "good enough" so i dunno.
kayDUB
With a comment that a TS-808 isn't an overdrive sound.... he either he doesn't know what he's talking about or he doesn't like you much...
What does he use when he plays guitar? a zoom? (hehehe)
cain
LOL he plays acoustic and when he plays electric he has an all BOSS pedal board ... lol
kayDUB
Can't say much there... 5 of my 7 pedals are boss.... ?
cain
Hehe, nothing wrong with boss. He just not know anything different ....
JoeyBones
Nothing wrong with BOSS or Ibanez and definitely nothing wrong with the Carl Martin stuff. A lot of guys are really one track minded. We were talking about Nigel Hendroff's sound yesterday and my buddy isn't a big fan. He used to play in cover bands, so he's more into the slash, steve vai, van halen, etc sounds. He had a valid point in that most of these guys, who have really great tone, use mostly run of the mill pedals like the BOSS and IBANEZ ones.
I guess it depends on whether your job is to imitate (Most of the time in a church band) or innovate. There's nothing wrong with either, but it does become a problem when you have to follow the leader and the leader is more of a dictator. We're lucky enough to have a pretty open minded group and our guys get to experiment a lot. I guess our leadership sees the value in innovation.
cain
Bones thats super dude!!!
Im not dissing boss, its just people that only know one thing should not diss sounds and pedals they dont know anything about. He claims he has been playing guitar for years, the irony is he doesnt even know what a earnie ball stingray bass, or what an orange head is. Well they are lesser seen gear in this country but as a musician you must keep you eyes and ears open and learn about EVERY aspect of your instrument. And when you dont know what your talking about, you must rather shut up than say something stupid.
