ezietsman
Joe Moore wrote:
ez wrote:
Joe Moore wrote:
I'm surprised that you've gone the amp and pedal board route tbh..... Did you ever get to try a Kemper ?
( Its not too late to get off the 'tone merry-go-round / money pit' ) ? ?
Dude, a whole pedal board is still WAY WAY cheaper than a Kemper (and power amp and cab) even if the Kemper can do more. Plus you know, that IPhone app that can do what a kemper does is on the way, you know it's true ?
Ez, Doc-Phil was gonna pop over to give the Kemper a whirl , but moved back to durbs. That's why I asked. ?
I just like to pull your leg haha.
Danny-B
Don't worry Joe, he's coming over to my place soon to try out a kemper ?
But ja a kemper ain't for everyone, and certainly not for every application. Its the perfect tool for me though, and I'm certainly not missing my vintage amps and my 30 kg pedalboard.
V8
singemonkey wrote:
Bottomless money pit? Compared to buying a multifx for R5k that's worth R1.5k three years later? ? People still want to pay money for a 15 year old tubescreamer on the other hand.
+1
Got myself a literally new Boss GT6-B for 1k. It'll still be working when Buck Rogers finally wakes up and it'll be considered *vintage* :?
doc-phil
singemonkey wrote:
Bottomless money pit? Compared to buying a multifx for R5k that's worth R1.5k three years later? ? People still want to pay money for a 15 year old tubescreamer on the other hand.
Excellent point. I'll probably sell my POD HD400 once I've accumulated enough stompboxes, and will probably have to let it go for a fraction of the price.
Thanks for your other feedback. I'm really not sure at this point whether I need to go big on the delay and reverb (i.e. get the units with hold, tap tempo and looping functionality) or keep it simple with smaller pedals.
Joe Moore wrote:
I'm surprised that you've gone the amp and pedal board route tbh..... Did you ever get to try a Kemper ?
( Its not too late to get off the 'tone merry-go-round / money pit' ) ? ?
I am still intrigued by the Kemper.. but I fell in love with a pure tube amp and the rest is history ?
Danny B wrote:
Don't worry Joe, he's coming over to my place soon to try out a kemper ?
Ya we must organise dude!
Tokai-SA
How many boutique pedals do you need to buy to get just this one fuzz/octave tone?
Jayhell
I would start by enjoying the whole process. Buy pedals, sell pedals get better ones. Start with a daisy chain until it doesn't do the trick and then get a proper power supply. Build a small board, then a bigger one and a bigger one, until you come to a place where you are aware of the real estate you are going to use then buy one. Don't jump the gun and buy a moerse board with a big power supply, it looks dumb to have a meter by meter board with two pedals on it. This money could have been used to buy pedals. Don't underestimate substituting your dream pedals with Boss ones for now. I've spent a lot of money on effects I ended up never using. But when push comes to shove the stuff you need to invest in is a good power supply and a decent tuner, they will last you a life time and are the building blocks for a good board.
Support local and get a local maker to clone all your dreams. My bank account hates me after meeting Leon from Pop Effects, because now when I see something cool, I mail him and he builds it for me. Resale value might be bad, but spending R700.00 on a pedal instead of R3000.00 for the original is an economic way of finding out what you want. He's quality is really good. My pedal board is slowly becoming overtaken by clones.
BTW, the Boss tremolo is an awesome tremolo, best one to my ears for what I do.
It's a process not instant gratification and that is half the fun. All pedal boards are always a work in progress. How many pedals do you need?
One more, just one more, always one more....
LooneyAtTheGate
Jayhell wrote:
I would start by enjoying the whole process. Buy pedals, sell pedals get better ones. Start with a daisy chain until it doesn't do the trick and then get a proper power supply. Build a small board, then a bigger one and a bigger one, until you come to a place where you are aware of the real estate you are going to use then buy one. Don't jump the gun and buy a moerse board with a big power supply, it looks dumb to have a meter by meter board with two pedals on it. This money could have been used to buy pedals. Don't underestimate substituting your dream pedals with Boss ones for now. I've spent a lot of money on effects I ended up never using. But when push comes to shove the stuff you need to invest in is a good power supply and a decent tuner, they will last you a life time and are the building blocks for a good board.
Support local and get a local maker to clone all your dreams. My bank account hates me after meeting Leon from Pop Effects, because now when I see something cool, I mail him and he builds it for me. Resale value might be bad, but spending R700.00 on a pedal instead of R3000.00 for the original is an economic way of finding out what you want. He's quality is really good. My pedal board is slowly becoming overtaken by clones.
BTW, the Boss tremolo is an awesome tremolo, best one to my ears for what I do.
It's a process not instant gratification and that is half the fun. All pedal boards are always a work in progress. How many pedals do you need?
One more, just one more, always one more....
Brilliant words! I'm building a pedalboard soon, think I'll follow this to the T ?
doc-phil
Thanks Jayhell, sounds like good advice!
I'm having a look at Pop Effects' page, looks interesting.
singemonkey
Clones are a great way to go. The South African guitar player's obsession with Boss is, on the other hand, weird. Like many pedal makers they make some great pedals. But the whole point of a pedal board is that you hand-pick effects that are great, or specifically attuned to your needs. For most of what Boss makes, there are better options. Why people should consider them the default option, I have no idea.
Hasie
doc-phil wrote:
Thanks Jayhell, sounds like good advice!
I'm having a look at Pop Effects' page, looks interesting.
I'm going to order a Frankenscreamer from Leon soon. A TS808 based overdrive with a whole lot of other clipping settings and it is cheaper than the original product.
funkadelic
Hey man. I went down this route myself and stopped midway. It became a very expensive exercise very quickly. My board now consists of a GT-8 and 4 stompbox pedals powered by a T Rex Junior. The GT-8 can do almost anything stompbox pedals can do, though I use external drive pedals. It's not my ideal solution but it works well for my needs.
Singlemonkey, my opinion is that the Boss pedals are generally cheaper and in higher circulation on the 2nd hand market, therefore the apparent "craze".
doc-phil
I'm currently using my POD HD400 in conjunction with my 2 overdrive pedals. I will most likely sell the POD once my board has all the basics.
I picked up a Polytune (new) and a MXR Dyna Comp (used) as well now, so things are moving along.
The plan will be to pick up a reverb, delay and Micro POG then stop there... although I have my eye on the TremoSoul by Craig Amps.
Norman86
the way you speak to prospective clients says a lot about you.
Thus, I will never deal with Leon myself. YMMV.
Benj on the other hand, I have a very good relationship with him.
If i didn't have my flint, the tremosoul would be on my board, no doubt.
He also has an awesome delay called the Aura.
Oh, and he don't build no clones. so he has to do actual research into what works and what doesnt circuit wise.
Like i said though, try a Zoom MS-70. Don't be put off by the Zoom name, the models are super accurate and really impressive!
doc-phil
Eish, I don't think I can do Zoom. Bit of brand snobbery I guess... Although I see the MS-70 does get rave reviews on Sweetwater.
Just picked up TC Electronic Flashback X4 from Marshalls for R2800. That price is winning all the way as the current list price I see online is $250, which at the current R/$ rate is about R3300 or so.
Howard
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ezietsman
Tokai SA wrote:
How many boutique pedals do you need to buy to get just this one fuzz/octave tone?
Just one.
MIKA-the-better-one
Just dish out on your power supply, there are so many good ones coming out now... and what you cant get in SA you can here in the USA and get shipped over.
Walrus Audio just came out with some of the coolest power supplies out there, as does Cioks, and Voodoo Labs. GET ISOLATED POWER SUPLIES. Dont wast time with daisy chaining, that shit gets old real quick. I have kicked out two bassists because they apparently did not see the importance of good tone via isolated power supplies (among other stuff)
For actual board... just make one.... I have zero skill in DIY projects yet can build a pretty sweet pedalboard at litrually no cost.
As for pedals, thats where really you cant go wrong, its all in your taste.
singemonkey
MIKA the better one wrote:
I have kicked out two bassists because they apparently did not see the importance of good tone via isolated power supplies (among other stuff)
doc-phil
Hahahaha!
I should hopefully pick up a Strymon Flint next week, and a Ernie Ball volume pedal is on its way.
MIKA-the-better-one
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