Project 5 - Maids quarters to jam room in 5 days

flatfourfan

Maids quarters to Jam room in 5 days, (after-hours only).

Well this is what I'm starting with. I've been yapping on about this for months and since we've moved into our new place, I can now say that I'm ready to get this space usable.

Why 5 days you ask? Well I'm a guy who needs deadlines to get stuff done. Otherwise I take my sweet time and go through a few stages before I end up with what I'm happy with. So I emailed the rest of the guys and put a date on 27/07/2013, yup, 1 weeks time and also put an ad out for a new bass player and we have someone coming over to try out. Bear in mind that the room was full of all my garage stuff from the move, and I have been working on getting it cleared for a good 2 months, but I've been busy with so many other stuff in-between, that I got side-tracked. The target also is to use scraps and stuff that I have lying around, so that this doesn't cost me a cent. My garage was based on this idea and it turned out just fine.

Stage 1 is what I need to get done in the next 4 days. I spent most of yesterday cleaning the last of the crap out of the room and building cupboards in my garage to get stuff over. Next will be pulling out the waterpipes and waste water pipes as well as plugging up all the holes left by this and the cupboards and shelves that are in there at the moment.

I need to box in the window with 18mm plywood and fit a trim ring around the window so that it can be sealed properly, then add a layer of sound deadening and the trim with another layer of wood. This will mimick the sound panels that I'll make for the room and the bass bins. I also need to box in the upper air vent too. The walls need to be painted, the carpet and underfelt need to go in as well as 2 new double plug points as I have 1 single at the moment.

This will allow the room to be at least useable. My roof is currently exposed, but I've chatted to my neighbours and told them that we will be making some noise and that the roof may rattle, not much I can do there until I have broken the wall down between this room and the small utility room that is next door to get my final space of about 4.5 x 3.5m. The roof in the highest spot is a good 3.5m high.

This is where I was after yesterday, room is pretty much cleared out now.

I reckon that I have a good 2-3 hours a night that I can make some noise, so this gives me around 15 hours or so to get this done and dusted.

Should be fun.

arjunmenon

Wow! Good on you mate.

Looking forward to how this progresses.

:applause:

AlanRatcliffe

Are you planning A/C too? Better be if you're soundproofing - a room fast runs out of oxygen with a few people in it. ☹

What are you planning for the ceiling? A tin roof doesn't do much to contain the sound by itself, even properly sealed, it vibrates and retransmits like a speaker cone.

Are you using rockwool or rigid fibreglass for the deadening/absorptive material?

flatfourfan

AC will follow in the summer. Yup I remember when we used to be at full tilt with 4 of us in the old room and we'd be sweating like nuts in about 20 minutes, sometimes even less and that was in the winter....lol.

The current roof structure will only be there until the wall comes down between the two rooms. Once that comes down, I'll have a 4 layer structure for the roof consisting of MDfoam, HDfoam and soft packed fibreglass fill and a more dense fill as well. Two panels of hushboard and then a final ceiling panel. I'm expecting the roof to vibrate like crazy this weekend, there is no surprises there. My neighbours have been warned and they're cool with it as they are out for the morning anyway. lol.

The framework for the roof is going to be very interesting, I have a deal to swap 10 sheets of hushboard for enough 36mm brandering to do the whole structure, so that's good news, I wanted 50x70mm planks, but I can double up on the brandering, so I can make this work, I have about 3000 screws left from my old halfpipe so I have enough of them.

My sparkie just called me and told me that he's put in the two plug points. But damn, he's mounted them up against the wall higher than I wanted, oh well, it'll have to do, I can change it after the weekend to lower down.

I also made a deal with my inlaws to take all of the belgotex carpets out of their house if I can cart it away, so I'm getting pretty much brand new serengetti carpet for the whole room for nothing. Will have to make a plan on the underfelt though. I also landed a deal of a 5 litre bucket of white paint for the walls from my neighbour for helping him with his pool. So once the wall is down I can paint out the whole room. The bricks that split the room will be used to brick up the doorway as I'll be using the other one.

I'm trying to stick with the (doing it on the cheap/ erm nothing) theme as much as possible.

guidothepimmp

About time dammit >☹

Next up... steakrolls

flatfourfan

guidothepimmp wrote About time dammit >☹

Next up... steakrolls

Yeah man, I hear you, we've been on a break for WAY too long now. At least I don't have to kick my daughter out of her room and my wife out of the house so that we can jam......

Already got an order for 2kg thin cut rump and fresh rolls and a bucket full of beer in ice........so yeah I'm sorted.

flatfourfan

Target for last night was to get the window framed as well as hopefully getting the wood cut for the cover. I knew that I was going to be short on any type of big pieces as I am building this from scraps.

Framed with 18mm plywood that has been bolted to the wall in about 30 places with speed plugs. The wood sits on top of a rubber base that's held in place with silicone.

I also have some old car window tint that will be added to the outside of the window to black it out totally, so that you can't see what's going on inside. I made a deal to swap a sheet of hushboard for a multi density foam block that will go into the void of the window. My local foam supplier was very interested in the hushboard and reckons that it goes for about R450 a 3 x 1.5 sheet and I scored 30 with about 1/2 of them being almost full size. My foam guy is fabbing me a block of medium and high density foam with an under felt top and very high density back that will fit into the void perfectly, I don't know if I'll have it by the weekend, but bonus if it comes in time.

I was running between my outside room, my garage and the wood store at the back of my house to try and get this panel done. It was 7pm already and I promised myself that I'd be done by 8pm the latest as I knew that my neighbours kids were studying. So what went up was a sheet of 18mm plywood, a sheet of 18mm HDF supawood and a sheet of 18mm pine board. Yeah it's mix matched, but it's the first layer. Once the foam goes in, it'll be tar boarded and then another layer of 8mm ply will go on mimicking the sound panels that I'll have.

My neighbour also donated a 25kg bag of rinolite, so once all the holes are filled on the wall and the 1 door bricked up, I'm going to rinolite the whole wall and get it nice and straight. I'm now determined to have the wall knocked out, walls painted and door bricked up within the month. Then I can start on the roof.

I pick up my carpet tonight.......then its home to fill up some holes and pull out the last of the waste water lines.

flatfourfan

Got the carpet last night and it's a good 4.5 x 3.5 big, so that's going to work a treat.

Also started work on the Rinolite and smoothing out some sections on the walls, I don't want to go too crazy on this as the door is going to be bricked up as well as the wall pulled out and me bashing stuff down is probably going to really cause some issues with holes that I've plugged.

I also found an old trunk in the room that I pulled out and cleaned a bit, I shoved it on junkmail and a car collector wants it for his roof rack, so hello R300 for something that was just lying around. I have a much bigger steamer chest that it's in the storeroom next door that I have a buyer for for R2000, so that should cover the rest of the build as I'm going to have to buy cement mix as well as a few other stuff that I can't wangle for free.

I also scored a good 20 or so frames for pictures that I may mount some stuff on. If anyone out there wants a few, let me know, no charge, you'll just have to collect them. They are about 50cm x 30cm, and close with alli clips. They're behind the carpet, I only need about 5, the rest can go.

Tonight is cleaning out all of the scraps that are in there and to basically clean up the room a bit. I'm going to cut the width on the carpet so that I have one less job to do and then fit a new light in there and fab some frames for the HD foam that I'm going to get on Friday for the wall panels. Then a lick of paint on the walls tomorrow night and then the jobs a goodun........

flatfourfan

Well, was off work with a bug for 2 weeks and just rolled in this morning.

The room went up and we made some noise..........the lack of a ceiling...............is disturbing. lol. My neighbours however didn't moan at all.

Will update some pictures on Monday, the room however for all of us is way too small, I'm going to be pulling the wall down between the rooms next weekend and that will free up and extra 3sqm which will make a diffs, also once the door has been flipped to the other side, it'll allow us to make the better use of space. I also have more plans to add an extra 3 double plug points.

This carpet gives an idea of the floor size at the moment.

Once the wall is down, I can start on the ceiling and also get another jam sesh in with the new bass player.........the dude kicks some serious ass!!!

Attila

I see your master plan .... that is the beginnings of your "Man Cave" :?

flatfourfan

So the wall came down, the first 16lb sledge that we had broke after less than 5 minutes on the wall, so got a new one, got a mate to tag team and we had it down in a little under an hour.

This wall was such a badly built POS...........2/3 of the wall was single brick that came down pretty easily. The other 1/3 was a double brick wall (non supporting mind you)

This other side you can see how much space we gained, not much, about 3m sq, but damn it makes a difference.

The piddly little window will be bricked up as well as the old door that was used to get in and out. One of the upper vents will be filled, the other will be left open as I need it to vent the upper ceiling area as the last thing that I want it condensation building up between the ceiling and the roof.

Ideally I'd love to chisel off all the old plaster and then re-plaster the walls to get a crisp finish and knowing me, I'll probably do it anyway once I've closed off the door and various holes. I'm even half in the mood to brick up the big window while I'm at it as it'll never be used again anyway. I've managed to save a huge heap of bricks from the old wall which will be enough to fill up everything.

After the bricking up, the roof and wood beams will be sandblasted and then primed and coated with a sealer/ primer and a sound foam sprayed directly onto it, which will stop rattles on the outside.

flatfourfan

Had two days downtime, so I decided to rip out the door arch and the door and then brick it up.

I so regret using used bricks, firstly, this took me two days to do as 70% of the time was spent cleaning bricks and chiseling off crap and concrete. Hardly two bricks were the same size. Oi vey. What a pita it was to get it all level. I have to steel brush some old crete off the outside and then clean the bricks and then that can be painted.

I have enough bricks to close off the small window and then that's done. Water pipes need to be pulled out on the one side of the room and then another door frame has to be built on the other side with heavy duty hinges as the doors weigh in at a little over 30kgs each.

The wood arrived for the roof framing to start as well as the think pink, hush board, fibre fill as well as loose foam stuffing. The longer I leave the room vacant, the more crap my wife pushes into it.

Inside will be stripped of all plaster, leaving exposed brick work. New laminate dark wood flooring and crisp white skirting and ceilings will complete the look.

I guess with two guy helping me, I should have the walls pulled back of all plaster in 3-4 days.

All wiring will be in galvanized steel conduit as I'm going for a serious industrial look with a twist.

flatfourfan

Update time.

Finally stripped off the last of the plaster, now it's time to smooth down the walls and steel brush them all. Next is to close the 2 windows as I've decided that they serve no purpose to me.

Already got all the mouldings for the roof and ceiling, just waiting on my electrician to run all the new wires for me as well as new cables for the AC. Then the roof can go on.

flatfourfan

Yup, loads of work at the homestead. Had to pull up all the waste water lines, that took a lot of money and a lot of time.

They finally started with bricking up the windows on Monday. They should be done today.

Before.

During.

After.

Outside.

I was fussy about how I wanted this, I want the outside to look neat and clean. I don't mind if the exposed brick is somewhat off, as the exposed look and patched look is kind of what I'm going after.

Before.

After.

Super fired up now as I've organised that the houses main DB board be moved as well as made bigger so that I can put in an AC for the music room as well.

Hopefully in the next week or so I can start with the framing on the second door as well the suspension on the second ceiling.

NorioDS

Exciting stuff! ?

flatfourfan

Cheers

Well they got done with all the brick work yesterday.

The feather in and blend in is pretty damn awesome, once the walls have been cleaned and brushed and painted, I'm sure that you'll hardly notice it.

They slotted the walls in order to get the feather in as neat as possible and also closed up the upper two vent holes that were used to ventelation. I had them close those as the AC lines can be made much smaller and neater.

I found more work to do on the inside as the last of the small sections of paint have to be chipped off and removed. I also have to now wait for my electrician as he won't be able to move my lines next week, so the roof frame is on hold until he's done with that.

AlanRatcliffe

I gather you are not going to plaster? That would bring up your STC by about 3dB, but might be wasted as I suspect your roof structure won't approach the STC your walls already have.

You're building a double ceiling, but not double walls, right? Did you consider some glass bricks high up? It's a good way to get some natural light without compromising on isolation.

flatfourfan

Alan Ratcliffe wrote I gather you are not going to plaster? That would bring up your STC by about 3dB, but might be wasted as I suspect your roof structure won't approach the STC your walls already have.

You're building a double ceiling, but not double walls, right? Did you consider some glass bricks high up? It's a good way to get some natural light without compromising on isolation.

Correct, no plans to plaster and no double walls. I will be adding some wall panels/ ceiling panels and some corner bins, but nothing else.

I was thinking about the glass bricks, but to get any sort of half decent light in there, I'd have to use a few and I stay on a terraced property and my neighbors on that side look down into the room. I don't want to advertise what gear I have in there.

AlanRatcliffe

flatfourfan wrote I was thinking about the glass bricks, but to get any sort of half decent light in there, I'd have to use a few and I stay on a terraced property and my neighbors on that side look down into the room. I don't want to advertise what gear I have in there.

Most glass bricks are diffusing or distorting like frosted glass, so are not something you'd be able to look through. Especially by the time you get a double row in. I wouldn't try to replace artificial light with them completely, but they can reduce your lighting requirements during the day (and you'll be able to find the light switch easily). Plus you can get creative with them if you want.

Something more like this:

Or this:

flatfourfan

Yup...............it does look good.

The nice thing about exposed walls is that if I decide to do this, then it won't take much effort.