NorioDS
Sounds cool Alan ?
I know ask for a lot, but when can we hear something you've recorded? Just so we can sample what you get from your setup? I don't care if it's not the best recording ever, it would add a lot of value, all the same.
Thank you!
cain
Im just stating norio. Most guitar rigs are quite hectic, MIDI is the best option for it to "look" simple. This is not really the fact because allot of preparation goes into getting a sequence thats nice.
Complexity is one of those things you get when you want this to sound different. A way to make your songs/solos/riffs sound different is to use different sounds ( amp, effects, delays etc ).
NorioDS
I understand Francis ? Thanks.
arjunmenon
Hi Norio,
In light of what you said about Satch's setup, i beg to differ. He's actually got a very simple setup (meaning, a setup that anyone emulate). I have seen Satch live in Toronto and India and i've met his techie mike (great guy, lotsa hair,big f$%ker) who told me that Satch prefers a vintage sound but with a very raw edge and that he doesn't use a reverb pedal. As a result, Satch's sound is a result of the following:
JS2000 + Wah-Wah + Boss DS-1 distortion + Fulltone Ultimate Octave + Digitech Whammy WH-1 + Boss CH-1 Super Chorus + Boss DD-2 Delay (@ 350 ms)
Of course, now he endorses Peavey JS Custom amps. And there's a Chandler digital delay in the effects loop and a footswitch for the channels.
Eezzee peezee Japaneezi
NorioDS
Thanks Arjun ?
That's really made my day.
I remember reading on Satch's site that he has a really simple setup. It's one of the things that inspired me and that I respect him most for.
Quick question, what do the Fulltone Ultimate Octave and Digitech Whammy pedals do?
arjunmenon
Woah..ur quick.. ?
Ok, The ultimate octave is manufactured by a company called Fulltone (it retails for about 200 usd, i think) and it acts as a fuzz and an octaver.
The digitech whammy pedal on the other hand is a pitch shifter that has a whole lot of pitch-shifting effects on it.
Speaking of which, if you want a setup that makes you feel lousy, check out John Petrucci's setup or Steve Vai's old setup.
And because i'm a big Petrucci fan, i end up feeling lousy most of the time ? Lol
Also, on a different subject, Alan's post on the best of both worlds is pretty cool.
@ Alan : Way to goo ma man!! Are you conducting any workshops soon?
NorioDS
Thanks Arjun ?
So would it be safe to assume that he used the whammy pedal for "searching"?
What does an octaver do?
I apologise for all the questions but you do appear to have all the answers ? (Between you and Alan, I think we've got some serious guruness on this forum ?)
cain
I dont think satch uses the Boss DS-1 For distortion does he ? I though he used to use the mesa boogie distortion and now the peavey's distortion channels. I think the DS-1 is used as a booster pedal. I might be mistaken tho.
cain
Oh Quote :
Octave, harmonizer and pitch shifter pedals duplicate portions of the incoming guitar signal, but transposed up or down. Octave pedals usually produce overtones one, two or three octaves above the fundamental tone. Pitch shifter pedals can transpose the signal up or down in specific musical intervals. Octaving, harmonizer and pitch shifter pedals are generally considered a special effect, and work best with lead guitar parts.
arjunmenon
Well, although i appreciate the comment on Guruness, i have to admit that i actually know very very little as compared to whats out there in terms of knowledge. To me, Alan is a Guru! He's building his own guitar, how cool is that??!! It would take me quite a while (and the balls) to do something like that, because i don't know the art of guitar (and i say guitar because it is a multi-faceted instrument..if you want it to cry, it will) as intimately as Alan.
Secondly, knowledge becomes greater in potency when you share it... And Francis makes some very interesting points.
And last but not the least, you are a guru too (in ur own way) because you set up this excellent kick ass forum for guitar players to express their opinions and influence, all at the same time.
Thank you...(and if you aren't moved to tears by now..he he)
arjunmenon
Sorry Norio, i forgot to mention that, in addition to what Francis said, MIDI is definitely the way forward for effects..especially since we're slowly but surely moving towards complex effect chains and the quest for pristine tone.
Checking out Petrucci's or Steve Lukather's setup and the Roland GK Synth stuff will provide you some valuable info on the workings of MIDI. And taking it a step further, Godin (By far my fave bunch of luthiers...and John McLaughlin's) have been intergrating synth access since their prototypes of the Multiac Nylon (insanely delectable guitars).
Also, to get an all rounded eye-opening view of MIDI, i have attached the link to the Godin guitars' "What is midi?" section
http://www.godinguitars.com/whatismidi.htm
Trust this info will help you...but like you said, if you've got limited options with regard to gear, play around a little to get your signature sound.
Happy hunting
PS - And Satch does use a Boss DS-1, which he sometimes switches with a blues driver when he feels like it. I'm not sure about the Mesa Boogie stuff though.
cain
MIDI is awesome, you just need to be smart to use it. I had a pod XT live and it confused the crap out of me ☹ Or maby i didnt have the patience.
NorioDS
Cool, thanks Francis & Arjun ? Once again, I feel much more enlightened than before! ;D
arjunmenon
Norio, sorry i completely forgot to answer your question (well, Francis took care of the one about the octaver..thanks buddy, owe u one). Yes, Satch uses the whammy on "Searching" and other tracks like "Rasberry Jam Delta-V" and a whole lot more.
AlanRatcliffe
Norio De Sousa wrote:I know ask for a lot, but when can we hear something you've recorded? Just so we can sample what you get from your setup? I don't care if it's not the best recording ever, it would add a lot of value, all the same.
What I'll do is record a few snippets in Guitar Rig to show off some sounds. (I'd rather show off my sounds than my playing anyway ? )
Arjun Menon wrote:@ Alan : Way to goo ma man!! Are you conducting any workshops soon?
Probably not until stocks (of the book I haven't finished writing yet arrive) - July 2008 or so. I'll have to set it up with one or two of the local Hal Leonard distributors. To be honest, I don't know if it will be worth my while to do a national tour.
To me, Alan is a Guru!
I find that weird - I still feel exactly like the 16 Y.O. nebbish I was when I started playing. I suppose we each have our strengths and weaknesses: I'm an uneducated player and am in awe of people who know what they are doing (or at least seem to ?).
NorioDS
Thanks Arjun,
That MIDI link on Godin's site was great. I can easily relate to the concept because I'm a programmer so perhaps MIDI is where I should be heading.
Still, a part of me hates computers and would rather keep things simple. I like turning knobs. It just feels a whole lot more real.
Alan, looking forward to hearing your sounds ?
NorioDS
Alan, you ARE a guru. Comon, dude! You wrote the book ?
arjunmenon
Hi Alan,
If you're not going to do a national tour, how about something in Cape Town? And good luck with the book (hope it knocks people's socks off) he he
And, well, Norio has made my sentiments clear ?
Cheers
