Affordable Delay/Reverb Pedal

NorioDS

Howdy guys ?

I'm looking for a delay (& maybe also a reverb) pedal. I'm looking for the sound Satch used in "Is There Love in Space".

What would you recommend I look at?

cain

Hey buddy.

If you can, get 2 different pedals for delay and reverb. In both departments get pedals that provide an array of sounds. Delay and Reverb are super pedals to invest in, so if you can rather get something decent. They tend to be a tad expensive.

For delay look at the line6 Echo park which has about 5 different delays. Its super cool or the line6 delay modeler which i have and has about 12 different ones but is expensive.

In the reverb department get something like the Electro Harmonics Holier or Holiest grail reverb pedals. Those are the best reverb pedals you can get. The other option is a line6 verbzilla, which is also quite cool!

cain

Oh remember. In guitar pedals you get what you pay for. If you pay for something cheap it will probably alter your sound or cause noise or something to that effect.

NorioDS

So what do you reckon the costs will be?

I'd be happy buying something second hand, as long as it's in good nick.

cain

Second hand i dont know. The echo park and verbzilla each will go for about R1200 brand new. As i said delay and reverb are expensive but worth while. But we can go look together when you come visit the end of the month ?

NorioDS

That's not too bad. I don't have the cash now, but it will be worth it.

I'd enjoy testing them out. Do you think they'd let us do that at a store?

cain

Yeah else they can go ... themselves. But Andies has tho pedals.

NorioDS

Cool!

We should still organise a time to get together. Probably 27 Oct can work?

cain

Yeah that sounds fine. But in order to make the shops and stuff you must come early ?

NorioDS

Ya but you love in Roodepoort man! That's like far ?

What time?

cain

Be here at 10, then we can go to Andies, Music connection, marshall music etc.

NorioDS

OK! It's calendarised ?

NorioDS

Dude,

Have you heard of the Electro-Harmonix Holy Grail reverb pedal?

Here's a link:
http://www.muz.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1096

Looks lekker!

cain

Yeah i know it. It costs a bomb ?

NorioDS

But so worth it! ?

arjunmenon

Hi Norio,

My name's Arjun. 27/m, been playing since i was twelve and practise daily for 3 hours. New to South Africa (moved here to Cape Town,3 months ago). Desperately seeking a progressive outfit (or weather report fusion style outfit) to play with and a petrucci musicman to play on...(not that i don't have any guitars to play on..i've got a JS1200 and an Ibanez S series in matt green - there's something about guitars without fret markers ?)
With reference to delay/reverb effect pedals, i would suggest using a TC Electronics G-Force for your delay and using reverb when doing the mix-down (i assume you're recording). If you're talking reverb during a gig, both alesis and boss are pretty good bang for your buck. In fact, check out vai's, satriani's, steve morse's or lukather's sites to get some ideas. Stomp boxes like Electro-Harmonix etc are insanely expensive unless you plan on making really good use of it. I personally am not a big fan of reverb but you can check out Edge (of U2 fame) for some cool ideas. Good luck
And about backing tracks, a few years ago when i didn't have a computer or access to the internet (i know, i sound like a dinosaur) a friend of mine gave me a cd titled Niacin - Live at the Blue Note, Tokyo. It features Dennis Chambers on drums, Billy Sheehan on Bass and John Novello on a Kurzweil. If you can get your hands on this cd, trust me you will love it. It is awesome for free-flowing style playing. If my memory serves me well, 4 tracks on that cd sre centred around the phrygian dominant and a couple of them on the Lydian and super locrian. Give a try, i think it will take your playing to another level : )
On a lighter note, is anyone planning on catching Pat Metheny in action on 27/11/07 here at Cape Town. I've seen him once before and he is insanely talented... : )
Anyways, its great to be at this forum. Thanks for adding me. Cheers

Arjun

NorioDS

Hi Arun,

We'd love to hear some of your stuff. Could you post links to MP3s by any chance?

And, also, how about swinging that JS1200 up this way ;D I desperately want one. What's your opinion of them?

I appreciate the insight on reverb and delay pedals. You make some great points. For now, I'm just looking for something basic that will allow me to get the sound I hear on recordings. Because I don't really record myself much and I love the sound of lead with reverb. It just works for me.

That Niacin CD sounds like something I should definitely own! I found the DVD on Amazon but can't, for the life of me, find the CD!

Could you give us a link to Pat Metheney's site or something? I'd like to post about his Cape Town gigs in the events board.

arjunmenon

Hi Norio,

Thanks for your message. I haven't recorded any stuff in a while (which just goes to show that its about time i pulled my boss recorder out of its dusty case), but i will definitely put up stuff for your listening pleasure...

As for swinging the JS1200 your way, i doubt i'll be able to do that (cos then i'd have to move in with you...especially if you have a Marshall JCM 900 to put it through ;D ..by the way, do u have a big yard..my argentinian mastiff likes to have his space ;D). My opinion of the JS1200?? It plays very very very well. I picked it up while visiting my brother in Boston. I paid $1800 for it and then i spent another 600 dollars getting a custom paint job of the silver surfer on it ;D . Will try and put up some pictures of it soon. Ok, back to my opinion, if the guitar is set up well, it plays like no other...well, almost. The Dimarzios are fanatstic in translating the natural sustain of the guitar. One thing i found out was that with the JS1200, you don't need a sustainer, but it would be magical to compress it a little. But also, because i was scared of it getting stolen at a gig, i have never gigged it. Instead, i spent a little more money and bought myself a JS100 (which is a pretty good guitar) and then changed the pick-ups to a Dimarzio PAF and an Air Norton. This works very well for me on stage, in the studio and at jam sessions. And one last thing about the JS series guitars is that they are really light and comfy to play on. I like to have my guitar high up on my chest because it helps me maintain good technique with optimum speed and good phrasing abilities. Bottom-line, you should take a look around and see what works for you...May the force be with you ?

As for the tips on the reverb/delay, i was only glad to chip with some info that i'd picked up along the way. If you're looking for lead+reverb sound that sounds heavenly, i would suggest getting a boss reverb stomp-box. However, being a bigger fan of delay than reverb, i usually get my delay right and eq the entire range by dropping the bass end a little and boosting the mid and treble frequencies. When you put this through a Boogie Lone Star (Andy Timmons' signature amp 8)) you get a nice tight sound with lots of range and sustain.
Also, when it comes to one's rig, i've found that twiddling around and endless hours of figuring out settings and toying with knobs (pun intended) can help you acheive some fab results..u just need to put in the time. It will probably even help you find you dream sound. U never know...

The link for Pat Metheny's tour details is http://www.tedkurland.com/pbuild/tourdates.cfm?view=PME
It says that he is playing at Johannesburg today and tomorrow. And then its Durban on the 25th.

And on a parting note, there's a fun website for guitar players to fool around on...its called www.guitarshredshow.com
It was done as a school project by some swedish guy (what is it about these swedish guys and guitars???) and its so cool that JOhn Petrucci, Jordan Rudess and Steve Vai are big fans of his..Check it out!!

Ciao

NorioDS

I might actually be buying a JS1200 really, really soon but that depends on my cashflow over the next month or so!

Love what you say about it's sustain -- especially on a guitar with a bolt-on neck. Very comforting for me in deed ?

I'll look into the Boss reverb goodies. Must say, I haven't been in a music store in a bit too long. Mostly because I end up feeling crap that I can't buy everything ?

And man, that guitarshredshow.com web site is cool and hilarious, all at the same time ? Nice one! Thanks for sharing.

NorioDS

I'm sitting here, bopping my head up and down to Eric Johnson and wondering, surely he uses a reverb pedal to get his sound, right?

Now I'm not a total fan of his sound but it comes quite close to what I like. I just prefer to make my guitar scream a tad more than he usually does.