Hey Mika

IceCreamMan · 2012-09-18T12:20:19+00:00

Its your lucky day , Parlotones have announced they are moving to the united states in january....

Tokai-SA

X-rated Bob wrote
Tokai SA wrote However, if I were to say Gerrie Coetzee was the greatest, well that would be arrogant.
I don't know about "arrogant", but a sense of humour and a thick skin would come in handy.

True... ?

I watched Gerrie's entire career, every fight, loved the guy.
I guess anyone who becomes heavyweight champion of the world must be considered a great athlete, no debating that.
Gerrie was a great athlete and great boxer...but Ali was just ridiculous, inexplicable.

Tokai-SA

Ray wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Tokai SA wrote However, if I were to say Gerrie Coetzee was the greatest, well that would be arrogant.
I don't know about "arrogant", but a sense of humour and a thick skin would come in handy.
But if you say that Joe Louis was the greatest and that he didnt get his first bigun by Sonny Liston taking a dive, then you should be taken seriously.

But Liston didn't take a dive, Ali hit him with the perfect short right to the head. ?
It's a tough debate, in so far as greatest is concerned, Ali is it for me, but in so far as great stories are concerned, Rocky's story was the greatest for me.

IMO, no arrogance intended, Roger Federer is by far the greatest tennis player ever (even better than Pete), but I much prefer Bjorn Borg's story...I see it as the greatest tennis story ever.

vic

Tokai SA wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Tokai SA wrote However, if I were to say Gerrie Coetzee was the greatest, well that would be arrogant.
I don't know about "arrogant", but a sense of humour and a thick skin would come in handy.
True... ?

I watched Gerrie's entire career, every fight, loved the guy.
I guess anyone who becomes heavyweight champion of the world must be considered a great athlete, no debating that.
Gerrie was a great athlete and great boxer...but Ali was just ridiculous, inexplicable.

Always wondered..where is Gerrie now ?

Bob-Dubery

Ray wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Tokai SA wrote However, if I were to say Gerrie Coetzee was the greatest, well that would be arrogant.
I don't know about "arrogant", but a sense of humour and a thick skin would come in handy.
But if you say that Joe Louis was the greatest and that he didnt get his first bigun by Sonny Liston taking a dive, then you should be taken seriously.

I generally steer clear of saying anything or anybody is the greatest. Ask me to choose between Moss, Clark, Schumacher and Senna and I'll tell you they were all the greatest of their time or that they're all out of the top drawer or something.

The only case I push, and it's just to be ornery and to annoy the sport of sports "expert" who is really dealing in fan boi patriotism, is for WG Grace as the greatest cricketer of all time. To be fair, and if you're a scholar of the great game of cricket, Grace has got to be amongst the very best.

Warren

Honestly, if you guys don't understand the difference between fervor and disdain, then I really can't add anything more to what I've already said.

chris77

ShreddySmurf wrote Honestly, if you guys don't understand the difference between fervor and disdain, then I really can't add anything more to what I've already said.

+1
I don't even know why I get so riled by the cool kids on the playground anymore.

Tokai-SA

X-rated Bob wrote
Ray wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Tokai SA wrote However, if I were to say Gerrie Coetzee was the greatest, well that would be arrogant.
I don't know about "arrogant", but a sense of humour and a thick skin would come in handy.
But if you say that Joe Louis was the greatest and that he didnt get his first bigun by Sonny Liston taking a dive, then you should be taken seriously.
I generally steer clear of saying anything or anybody is the greatest. Ask me to choose between Moss, Clark, Schumacher and Senna and I'll tell you they were all the greatest of their time or that they're all out of the top drawer or something.

The only case I push, and it's just to be ornery and to annoy the sport of sports "expert" who is really dealing in fan boi patriotism, is for WG Grace as the greatest cricketer of all time. To be fair, and if you're a scholar of the great game of cricket, Grace has got to be amongst the very best.

I use the word "greatest" far too much, it's a bad habit, character flaw on my side.
I think I use it as a means of showing the utmost respect to the particular musician or sportsman, etc.
As far as I know greatest is also plural, greatest can mean one of the greatest, so I'm covered. ?

I find the cricket scenario difficult to debate.
I can only come up with one greatest in cricket, IMO, that's Shane Warne.
I can't explain it, Murali took more wickets against the same batsman, but Warne is another one of those inexplicable sportsman that rise above everyone else...in respect to Warne I feel obligated to call him the greatest. ?

But, your knowledge of cricket is far better than mine, obviously you've studied the WG Grace career and I haven't.
I can't disagree with you because I just don't know.

Wizard

But I don't understand.
Ali was the greatest.

/stir

Tokai-SA

Vic wrote
Tokai SA wrote
X-rated Bob wrote
Tokai SA wrote However, if I were to say Gerrie Coetzee was the greatest, well that would be arrogant.
I don't know about "arrogant", but a sense of humour and a thick skin would come in handy.
True... ?

I watched Gerrie's entire career, every fight, loved the guy.
I guess anyone who becomes heavyweight champion of the world must be considered a great athlete, no debating that.
Gerrie was a great athlete and great boxer...but Ali was just ridiculous, inexplicable.
Always wondered..where is Gerrie now ?

Last I heard he was in the trucking business. ?
Shame, his career became a bit of a mess.
After beating Dokes he waited and waited to fight Holmes, the big one, but he waited too long and the fight never happened.
By the time he fought Greg Page at Sun City and lost the title, he was overcooked.
And then the comeback against Frank Bruno was a disaster.

Bob-Dubery

singemonkey wrote That's an inevitable cost of preferring rubbish. If you prefer the Rolling Stones to the The Beatles, you won't be subjected to these horrible arrogant people. Because that's the thin edge of the wedge. There's a lot of debate happening there. If however, you prefer Kajagoogoo and try to defend it, times is gonna be tough. The arrogant are going to descend on you like starving rats released from a sewer. It's like if you claim that an obscure Indonesian football team is actually better than Manchester United, or Barcelona. Arrogant football fans are gonna laugh at your ass - even though the West Singanese team does a much better job at squeezing beetle grubs onto their skin before games than Man U. No one claimed life was easy. (I'm hinting that The Parlotones are not Man U or Barca in this metaphor)

A bit brusquely put (though this thread has hardly been a show case for diplomacy), but I agree with the actual point.

chris77

X-rated Bob wrote
singemonkey wrote That's an inevitable cost of preferring rubbish. If you prefer the Rolling Stones to the The Beatles, you won't be subjected to these horrible arrogant people. Because that's the thin edge of the wedge. There's a lot of debate happening there. If however, you prefer Kajagoogoo and try to defend it, times is gonna be tough. The arrogant are going to descend on you like starving rats released from a sewer. It's like if you claim that an obscure Indonesian football team is actually better than Manchester United, or Barcelona. Arrogant football fans are gonna laugh at your ass - even though the West Singanese team does a much better job at squeezing beetle grubs onto their skin before games than Man U. No one claimed life was easy. (I'm hinting that The Parlotones are not Man U or Barca in this metaphor)
A bit brusquely put (though this thread has hardly been a show case for diplomacy), but I agree with the actual point.

My lawd..... "the inevitable cost of prefering rubbish.....". Unbelievable. ? ???

Why is it rubbish? - Well because people who know good music from bad music says it is.
But how how do you know what is good music and what is bad music. - Easy , if I like it it is good and if I don't it is bad.
O.K, so if I like something it is good to me and if I dislike something it is bad to me right? - Only if you like what I like because if you don't you're not a person who knows good music from bad and until you see the light and come to realize I am right, then you are wrong.
OK I'm confused now, so my opinion about what is good and what is bad doesn't count because I like different stuff than you? - No, it's because the stuff I like is more awesome than the stuff you like. Say it is like football. What I like is Man U and Barcalona. What You like is some unknown team from a third world country who probably uses a coconut for a ball.
But doesn't it matter that in my mind what I like is Barca and ManU and what I dislike is the weak team?- No, because what you like doesn't count if it differs from my opinion because if it differs from my opinion....
Yeah I know I know, I don't know what is good and what is bad and I like rubbish. I get it now. Thank you.

Bob-Dubery

chris77 wrote OK I'm confused now, so my opinion about what is good and what is bad doesn't count because I like different stuff than you? - No, it's because the stuff I like is more awesome than the stuff you like. Say it is like football. What I like is Man U and Barcalona. What You like is some unknown team from a third world country who probably uses a coconut for a ball.
But doesn't it matter that in my mind what I like is Barca and ManU and what I dislike is the weak team?- No, because what you like doesn't count if it differs from my opinion because if it differs from my opinion....
Yeah I know I know, I don't know what is good and what is bad and I like rubbish. I get it now. Thank you.

Again, I think the attack here is against something that wasn't actually said.

Jack-Flash-Jr

Ray wrote You know, I dont think that arrogant really. It's like a religion. You dont believe this??!! Really??!! But why cant you see??? That's how we are. I said I didnt like Jack White's latest offering and Ol' Jack gave me a kick in the pills. And I thought jissis! I must be wrong about this. And then someone else chimed in and agreed with me. And I felt better about it except for the fact that he didnt get a kick in the grapes.

I dont think it's arrogant. It's a religious fervour is all.

Just face it Ray, you were more wrong than the other guy ?

There are some collective subjective things we can agree on surely e.g. Seinfeld > Threes A Company and Man U > Keralla Kings in terms of skill, competance, drive etc.

I really don't think anyone on here begrudges a subjective preference based on enjoyment or loyalty or whatever.

This thread has been fascinating and what truly delights me is that Mika is now forever tied to the Parlotones (or at least as long as the server stays up)....

Perhaps members should have compulsory (which I thought meant you could decide if you wanted to do it or not until I was 16 - true story) character profiles as in:
JFJ - highly likely to josh, only gets upset about things banned on the forum anyway.
Singemonkey - pain in the ass but tends to be quite well informed.
X-Rated Bob - thompson thompson thompson cricket thompson mediate mediate thompson thompson
etc.

Danny-B

Jack Flash Jr wrote Perhaps members should have compulsory (which I thought meant you could decide if you wanted to do it or not until I was 16 - true story) character profiles as in:
JFJ - highly likely to josh, only gets upset about things banned on the forum anyway.
Singemonkey - pain in the ass but tends to be quite well informed.
X-Rated Bob - thompson thompson thompson cricket thompson mediate mediate thompson thompson
etc.

I enjoyed this.

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chris77 wrote My lawd..... "the inevitable cost of prefering rubbish.....". Unbelievable. ? ???

Why is it rubbish? - Well because people who know good music from bad music says it is.
But how how do you know what is good music and what is bad music. - Easy , if I like it it is good and if I don't it is bad.
O.K, so if I like something it is good to me and if I dislike something it is bad to me right? - Only if you like what I like because if you don't you're not a person who knows good music from bad and until you see the light and come to realize I am right, then you are wrong.
OK I'm confused now, so my opinion about what is good and what is bad doesn't count because I like different stuff than you? - No, it's because the stuff I like is more awesome than the stuff you like. Say it is like football. What I like is Man U and Barcalona. What You like is some unknown team from a third world country who probably uses a coconut for a ball.
But doesn't it matter that in my mind what I like is Barca and ManU and what I dislike is the weak team?- No, because what you like doesn't count if it differs from my opinion because if it differs from my opinion....
Yeah I know I know, I don't know what is good and what is bad and I like rubbish. I get it now. Thank you.

Some wise words I just read:

chris77 wrote I don't even know why I get so riled by the cool kids on the playground anymore.

@JFJ:

Jack Flash Jr wrote Perhaps members should have compulsory character profiles...

I love it! I also think we should include a troll-face emoticon... 8)

wirt

I have nothing constructive to add. Guess I'll just leave this here...

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MIKA-the-better-one

I like that there is a shared perception of Singermonkey being "well informed"
I first felt this also when he announced...... HE HATED THE PARLOTONES AND THOUGHT THEY SUCKED!!!!!

I simply dont know how people can disagree with that

vic

MIKA the better one wrote I like that there is a shared perception of Singermonkey being "well informed"
I first felt this also when he announced...... HE HATED THE PARLOTONES AND THOUGHT THEY SUCKED!!!!!

I simply dont know how people can disagree with that

....there are millions who'll disagree of course

BUT does he share the same opinion on Ibanez ? :?

deefstes

MIKA the better one wrote I like that there is a shared perception of Singermonkey being "well informed"
I first felt this also when he announced...... HE HATED THE PARLOTONES AND THOUGHT THEY SUCKED!!!!!

I simply dont know how people can disagree with that

So Mika, we know what SingeMonkey thinks but lets hear what you think. How does your music measure up against the Parlotones?

Chabenda

There is one thing that unsettles me about what has been expressed on this thread and that is that although I don't know much about the Parlotones, I have heard and seen on TV enough of their music and presentation, to know that it is definitely for not for me.( I am impressed with Mika's music for it's originality), I think of what their guitar player would feel were he (maybe he is?) a member of this forum? He is a South African guitarist who currently has been a part of a success story, despite how we feel individually about his band. He has gone further than most of us will ever go - how do we reconcile our criticism and almost outright hatred from some members of the forum for his band and their music with the fact that he is a relatively successful South African guitarist and we are surely making him feel like a leper. That is surely not in line with the objectives of GFSA.

This is GFSA and any guitar player from any genre or band should surely not be made to feel like a pariah. Tolerance and mutual respect is the order of the day.

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