...and you thought your band was heavy metal, lol

nick_D01 · 2012-07-04T14:52:59+00:00

= its like a skyscraper being demolished comin through your speakers, lol.

Chabenda

shaunf wrote I dunno. I used to be quite into metal, but slowly but surely I got bored of it and moved on. One of the things I notice that's happened in the 10 or so years I've been out of the metal scene, is that there is this obsession with trying to sound heavier/more brootal than the next guy. To me, when I hear this kind of crap, it just makes me laugh. It's gone beyond what "heavy" used to be, and now it's nothing more than comedy. Try as I might, I just can't take this shit seriously.

In all genres of music there are some musicians/bands that stand out - IMHO neither of these bands crack it. Certainly no Metallica factor here -their (older) songs were heavy but had light and shade and expressed all types of emotion! Listening to this stuff though for any period of time has an unsettling effect on my psyche and leaves me feeling irritated - a little like the "Sadza Mix" channel Trace on DSTV. This is like 'Formula' music as far as I'm concerned, learn a bunch of scales, buy the latest fashion guitars and amps, patch everything together . Rather difficult to make out the vocals too - If you are having an anal breach birth I'd like to be able to hear all the gory details.

I am an old fart of 48 but try to keep an open mind, I love all types and genres of good guitar but this does not meet my standards, as low as they may be .

IceCreamMan

Donovan Banks wrote Oh my. Watch here...

Watch past the beginning.

looks like Vince Mcmahon is their manager

flatfourfan

Donovan Banks wrote Oh my. Watch here...

Watch past the beginning.

There's deff talent there though.........

Psean

Chabenda wrote

- If you are having an anal breach birth I'd like to be able to hear all the gory details.

HAHAHA! :roflmao: :roflmao:

Psean

Chabenda wrote
shaunf wrote I dunno. I used to be quite into metal, but slowly but surely I got bored of it and moved on. One of the things I notice that's happened in the 10 or so years I've been out of the metal scene, is that there is this obsession with trying to sound heavier/more brootal than the next guy. To me, when I hear this kind of crap, it just makes me laugh. It's gone beyond what "heavy" used to be, and now it's nothing more than comedy. Try as I might, I just can't take this shit seriously.
In all genres of music there are some musicians/bands that stand out - IMHO neither of these bands crack it. Certainly no Metallica factor here -their (older) songs were heavy but had light and shade and expressed all types of emotion! Listening to this stuff though for any period of time has an unsettling effect on my psyche and leaves me feeling irritated - a little like the "Sadza Mix" channel Trace on DSTV. This is like 'Formula' music as far as I'm concerned, learn a bunch of scales, buy the latest fashion guitars and amps, patch everything together . Rather difficult to make out the vocals too - If you are having an anal breach birth I'd like to be able to hear all the gory details.

I am an old fart of 48 but try to keep an open mind, I love all types and genres of good guitar but this does not meet my standards, as low as they may be .

Ja, some of this stuff's just heavy for the sake of being heavy now. I get so BORED at metal gigs now. I still enjoy some earlier thrash and death stuff but this whole "br00tal" thing has gone way past silly.

exsanguinator

I picked up every note,including the drums ...what do you mean?
To say thats not talent is an insult really.
The metal genre is quite broad nowdays,but only the very skilled can attempt to venture this far and record the whole band together to get Technical Death Metal
Just look at the ages of the very best,it doesnt happen overnight by far...LOL
I can guarantee the drummer can slow down to an awsome jazz or blues beat to put that genre to shame.
I can guarantee the guitarist can slow down to an awsome blues lick to put that genre at attention
Heres a perfect example.... a BIG Wave Surfer can surf 30ft waves as well as 2ft waves..easily...
but a small wave surfer cannot.
Same as a good metal guitarist can blaze away at speed and slow down to a crawl and fall asleep,just...
a jazz or blues guitarist can't.. even if he tried,he wouldnt keep up
Thats what I teach my students,
mastering lightning fast doesnt mean you will fail at slow and soulful stuff,it just makes you a better allrounder

Banditman

No-one's saying there's no talent required to play pentatonics at mach2, to be musically tight as a band on tricky time sigs etc. To play like that demands technique, practice and musical talent. There's expression in the genre yes, but not a lot - perhaps - of versatility. And if you think jazz, prog rock or blues (or rockabilly guitarists) can't play fast runs for more than 3 seconds then try listening to guys like Reverend Horton Heat, Jan Akkerman (of Focus) or even Stevie Ray Vaughan - Scuttle Buttin's a fair example.

Music's a language that speaks in sounds, colours & emotions as well as words - often despite the words, and language is rich and complex. There are many more emotions than rage, and more colours than red or black, but it's almost impossible to reference them with your revs maxed out.

The technical ability to play accurate high-speed scales or sweep pick doesn't guarantee the equal ability to convey a wider range of emotion. Guitarist magazine ran an article a while ago (IIRC it was "50 ways to improve your guitar playing" - contributions were from top guitarists across the board). Robert Fripp spoke about playing with meaning, describing a gig by a GIT graduate. "He played it perfectly but with such lack of conviction that I got p'ed off and threw my shoes at him". Some guys (and girls - before I get nailed by Keira!) can say more in one note and a bend than others try to say in 50. There's a local group/pool of musicians & theatre types I get involved with from time to time. Latest idea? "Hey - I wonder if we could do Pink Floyd's The Wall as a stage performance". I love Floyd's (and Dave Gimour's) stuff and if we can, hell I'm keen. And I realised just after saying those words that it means I'll have to play Dave Gimour's guitar parts. Not the fastest soloing, but to nail (or at least come close enough) to his phrasing and feel?
Ohsh!terbert, I've got some practicing to do. Before anyone accuses me of anti-metal bias, Zakk Wylde's a perfect example of a metal guitarist having that all-elusive "feel" and the versatility to go beyond shredding alone.

Yes there's absolutely a place for that line of expression, but way too many newer or younger metal/metalcore/death/black metal bands - while talented - reduce themselves to being one trick ponies. Sometimes that's what's needed to pay the bills, but it does get a bit dull after a while.

If it cannot move away from the mainstream of a style or freely explore adjacent concepts without fans revolting and admirers calling you a sell-out (Bob Dylan anyone?), then all forms of brutal metal are as rule-bound as most genres of music are.

Psean

Banditman wrote No-one's saying there's no talent required to play pentatonics at mach2, to be musically tight as a band on tricky time sigs etc. To play like that demands technique, practice and musical talent. There's expression in the genre yes, but not a lot - perhaps - of versatility. And if you think jazz, prog rock or blues (or rockabilly guitarists) can't play fast runs for more than 3 seconds then try listening to guys like Reverend Horton Heat, Jan Akkerman (of Focus) or even Stevie Ray Vaughan - Scuttle Buttin's a fair example.

Music's a language that speaks in sounds, colours & emotions as well as words - often despite the words, and language is rich and complex. There are many more emotions than rage, and more colours than red or black, but it's almost impossible to reference them with your revs maxed out.

The technical ability to play accurate high-speed scales or sweep pick doesn't guarantee the equal ability to convey a wider range of emotion. Guitarist magazine ran an article a while ago (IIRC it was "50 ways to improve your guitar playing" - contributions were from top guitarists across the board). Robert Fripp spoke about playing with meaning, describing a gig by a GIT graduate. "He played it perfectly but with such lack of conviction that I got p'ed off and threw my shoes at him". Some guys (and girls - before I get nailed by Keira!) can say more in one note and a bend than others try to say in 50. There's a local group/pool of musicians & theatre types I get involved with from time to time. Latest idea? "Hey - I wonder if we could do Pink Floyd's The Wall as a stage performance". I love Floyd's (and Dave Gimour's) stuff and if we can, hell I'm keen. And I realised just after saying those words that it means I'll have to play Dave Gimour's guitar parts. Not the fastest soloing, but to nail (or at least come close enough) to his phrasing and feel?
Ohsh!terbert, I've got some practicing to do. Before anyone accuses me of anti-metal bias, Zakk Wylde's a perfect example of a metal guitarist having that all-elusive "feel" and the versatility to go beyond shredding alone.

Yes there's absolutely a place for that line of expression, but way too many newer or younger metal/metalcore/death/black metal bands - while talented - reduce themselves to being one trick ponies. Sometimes that's what's needed to pay the bills, but it does get a bit dull after a while.

If it cannot move away from the mainstream of a style or freely explore adjacent concepts without fans revolting and admirers calling you a sell-out (Bob Dylan anyone?), then all forms of brutal metal are as rule-bound as most genres of music are.

+many
Speed does not necessarily = music

flatfourfan

Psean wrote Speed does not necessarily = music

disagree........

The stuff from the OP is played in the region of 240/250bpm, slayer play angel of death at about the same pace live and that sure as hell is music in my books.

Speed does not necessarily = good music....

Psean

flatfourfan wrote
Psean wrote Speed does not necessarily = music

disagree........

The stuff from the OP is played in the region of 240/250bpm, slayer play angel of death at about the same pace live and that sure as hell is music in my books.

Speed does not necessarily = good music....

I think that's kinda what I was getting at... I really dig Slayer and some of the other early thrash/death stuff but those guys didn't ONLY play fast; they wrote good music firstly. Slayer also did some awesome slower stuff like Season's in the Abyss. Basically, they just wrote awesome metal songs whatever the speed.

flatfourfan

spot on........

Averatu

Screw you guys, I'm sold.

guidothepimmp

what a crock of sheeeit..

horses for courses or whatever...

like mr. anselmo said... "you know what the experts are tellin ya? theyre tellin ya that heavy music is dead and gone... well youall do me a favour, youall do me a favour and take a look around, look at all these moFoing people out here... and OBVIOUSLY someone is wanting to hear something that farking these experts are tellin ya you aint sposed to be hearing!"

Alright, well check this out

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Whats that mr. Cavalera?

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mai nada crl

Averatu

Yes Yes, no school like the old school, pimpy you old fart. Just remember the old rockers said the same aboot this band back then.
The most important tech death band period.

Death: Scavanger of human Sorrow live. Chuck RULED!!
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Edit: My problem has been as I'm getting older, my taste in music is getting heavier, to the extent that by the time I hit 40 they wont be able to make it heavy enough!!!

guidothepimmp

someone say old school??

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dont make me find my annihilator , morbid angel and obituary 8)

I used to LOVE Death back in the day...

Just like the SA music scene had Groinchurn, metalmorphosis, sacrifist and deviate lol (found an old tape with all these bands on)talk about nostalgia... had more issues finding a tape player :-[

Averatu

Did someone say GROINCHURN?
SA band playing live in New York.

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flatfourfan

old school thrash.....meets new school.

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Psean

Averatu wrote Yes Yes, no school like the old school, pimpy you old fart. Just remember the old rockers said the same aboot this band back then.
The most important tech death band period.

Death: Scavanger of human Sorrow live. Chuck RULED!!

ScavengeRRRRRR! What a band!

Psean

And talking of old school meets new school...
These guys are one current death metal band I enjoy. They've also covered a whole bunch of stuff from the previous generation - including Death (Lack of Comprehension and Flesh and the Power it holds are two that come to mind). But here's a newer one:
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flatfourfan

Psean wrote And talking of old school meets new school...
These guys are one current death metal band I enjoy. They've also covered a whole bunch of stuff from the previous generation - including Death (Lack of Comprehension and Flesh and the Power it holds are two that come to mind). But here's a newer one:
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whoa.........that is probably one of the best covers of that song that I've heard..........guess what I'm listening to today.....

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