New Die Antwoord

Jack-Flash-Jr · 2012-01-17T23:47:06+00:00

I fink I fink too much... http://pitchfork.com/news/45095-new-die-antwoord-i-fink-u-freeky/

New Die Antwoord

Norman86

when you dress your child to look like the mother, with their questionable morals and objectionable videos and lyrics...
i am glad they arent my parents! thats all im gonna say!

Bob-Dubery

Norman86 wrote: when you dress your child to look like the mother, with their questionable morals and objectionable videos and lyrics...
i am glad they arent my parents! thats all im gonna say!

I think we get too puffed about Die Antwoord. Zappa sang the line "my balls feel like a pair of maraccas" in a song titled "Why Does it Hurt When I Pee?" Uriah Heep had a cover with not too well disguised male and female gentitalia about to engage. Richard Thompson recorded a song about a prostitute and creaking mattress springs (just so you don't think I'm letting myself off the hook) and also sang the lines "Now I've got a suitcase full of fifty pound notes / and a half-naked woman with her tongue down my throat / and I feel so good I'm going to break somebody's heart tonight". Robert Plant wanted the ladies to "squeeze my lemon 'till the juice runs down my leg." Ian Gillan sang "I laid the judge's daughter. Yes I did. It was nice." Leonard Cohen sang about "giving me head on the unmade bed". And we can go on an on.

There's a good canon of rock(ish) music with sexually loaded lyrics. Some like it, some shrug it off, some enjoy it, some think that's the language of rock and put up with it. Why we get upset about rap and the like and not about rock is puzzling when you think about it.

What I don't see is a strong connection between what people portray in their art and their real lives. Thompson has a long catalog of dark, sometimes violent songs ("Whiskey helps to clear my head / bring it with you into bed / and if I beat you nearly dead / I'll regret it all in the morning") and if he was singing about his own experiences by now he'd be in jail or in an asylum. But away from music he's a devout man, a teetotaller who lives a fairly ordinary suburban life, enjoys bird-watching and takes good care of his kids and coaches the school soccer team.

The art doesn't necessarily portray the artist.

Hammeron

X-rated Bob wrote:
Norman86 wrote: when you dress your child to look like the mother, with their questionable morals and objectionable videos and lyrics...
i am glad they arent my parents! thats all im gonna say!
I think we get too puffed about Die Antwoord. Zappa sang the line "my balls feel like a pair of maraccas" in a song titled "Why Does it Hurt When I Pee?" Uriah Heep had a cover with not too well disguised male and female gentitalia about to engage. Richard Thompson recorded a song about a prostitute and creaking mattress springs (just so you don't think I'm letting myself off the hook) and also sang the lines "Now I've got a suitcase full of fifty pound notes / and a half-naked woman with her tongue down my throat / and I feel so good I'm going to break somebody's heart tonight". Robert Plant wanted the ladies to "squeeze my lemon 'till the juice runs down my leg." Ian Gillan sang "I laid the judge's daughter. Yes I did. It was nice." Leonard Cohen sang about "giving me head on the unmade bed". And we can go on an on.

There's a good canon of rock(ish) music with sexually loaded lyrics. Some like it, some shrug it off, some enjoy it, some think that's the language of rock and put up with it. Why we get upset about rap and the like and not about rock is puzzling when you think about it.

What I don't see is a strong connection between what people portray in their art and their real lives. Thompson has a long catalog of dark, sometimes violent songs ("Whiskey helps to clear my head / bring it with you into bed / and if I beat you nearly dead / I'll regret it all in the morning") and if he was singing about his own experiences by now he'd be in jail or in an asylum. But away from music he's a devout man, a teetotaller who lives a fairly ordinary suburban life, enjoys bird-watching and takes good care of his kids and coaches the school soccer team.

The art doesn't necessarily portray the artist.

Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.

Bob-Dubery

Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.

I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.

vic

"Art" se gat....siesa ! :-[

Danny-B

Haha! Pornographic tendencies, that's a goodie.

I enjoyed that video, interesting contrast between the gangsterism portrayed on a semi-regular basis by American rappers and the real gangsterism of the numbers gangs.

MIKA-the-better-one

HAAA, Pornogrphic Tendancies is going to be my new punk bands name!!!!! Genius.

Really though Hammeron and co, I dont think Die Antwoord really live this lifestyle they portray. Its an act they same we we all have our stage persona when we play live, there is just a little more outragous. think about KISS, people thought that would end the world. Its just Rock n Roll.

If you really want to be stressed about people being vulgar and pornographic, innapropriate go youtube the Dwarves or GG Alin. Really go youtube a video of GG Alin live. I was going to embedd a video but opted to not. And even they are just an act

Psean

Danny B wrote:

I enjoyed that video, interesting contrast between the gangsterism portrayed on a semi-regular basis by American rappers and the real gangsterism of the numbers gangs.

+1

I don't like Die Antwoord but I thought as a video, this was quite good.

Hammeron

MIKA the better one wrote: HAAA, Pornogrphic Tendancies is going to be my new punk bands name!!!!! Genius.

Really though Hammeron and co, I dont think Die Antwoord really live this lifestyle they portray. Its an act they same we we all have our stage persona when we play live, there is just a little more outragous. think about KISS, people thought that would end the world. Its just Rock n Roll.

If you really want to be stressed about people being vulgar and pornographic, innapropriate go youtube the Dwarves or GG Alin. Really go youtube a video of GG Alin live. I was going to embedd a video but opted to not. And even they are just an act

GG Alin wasn't just an act, he was a psycho M*****f****r who died of a smack overdose with a mouth full of his own shit. { Yes really}

Wormwood

i shouted to erica , who was in the bath, that "people on the forum are all up in arms about the antwoord vid i showed you the other day, but at the same time ignore most other rock and roll transgressions where the message usually condone heinous acts instead of brings the reality to light" i threw in Slayer as an arb example.

She said, its because this is too close to home. "slayer? nobody would ever imagine slayer have kids!, the're their own myth / legend"

i agree, it hits close to home.

in any event, all of their music is very raw and ironic.
It shows things as they are as opposed to how they are usually portrayed, like some other guy said in this thread before me.
Its adult subject material, done in a" child like way" but with an kick it home message.

they aren't on my playlist, probably cause im too bourgeois in my musical tastes but i take something awesome away from every one of their releases.
think about what it is that shocks you and why, yup, thats what theyre trying to say. I feel adn hear the same discomfort every time i see a woman begging at a robot. "she hired her child to get more cash or whatever" (really?? did this really happen or is it just a story that does its rounds and make us feel better for ignoring them?)
its ugly everything is ugly, but is it what it seems on the surface? For me these guys question face value judgements adn turn them on their asses.
I hope they keep on saying stuff id be too timid to mutter in public

AlanRatcliffe

Hammeron wrote: Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.

Sorry, but Zappa makes Die Antwoord look like total neophytes. He had entire songs about panty sniffing, the "mudshark incident", anal sex, fisting, STDS, and more about (usually true) incidents with groupies than most other bands have songs about love (or Satan, Vikings and murder combined, if it's a metal band ?). And most of that was in the '70s, when disco ruled the pop charts.

As far as DA go, I don't care for their music or videos, but recognise the business canniness behind them and I defend their right to make them as long as they can earn a living from them.

Hammeron

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
Hammeron wrote: Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
Sorry, but Zappa makes Die Antwoord look like total neophytes. He had entire songs about panty sniffing, the "mudshark incident", anal sex, fisting, STDS, and more about (usually true) incidents with groupies than most other bands have songs about love (or Satan, Vikings and murder combined, if it's a metal band ?). And most of that was in the '70s, when disco ruled the pop charts.

As far as DA go, I don't care for their music or videos, but recognise the business canniness behind them and I defend their right to make them as long as they can earn a living from them.

Maybe, but at least Zappa was Rock 'n Roll. 8)

vic

Hammeron wrote:
Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
Hammeron wrote: Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
Sorry, but Zappa makes Die Antwoord look like total neophytes. He had entire songs about panty sniffing, the "mudshark incident", anal sex, fisting, STDS, and more about (usually true) incidents with groupies than most other bands have songs about love (or Satan, Vikings and murder combined, if it's a metal band ?). And most of that was in the '70s, when disco ruled the pop charts.

As far as DA go, I don't care for their music or videos, but recognise the business canniness behind them and I defend their right to make them as long as they can earn a living from them.
Maybe, but at least Zappa was Rock 'n Roll. 8)

I beg to differ....rock 'n roll has never been vulgar....that was never the intent....Zappa ? Die Antwoord...? Comparing these is like saying Hitler was a nice guy compared to Nero :-[

vic

X-rated Bob wrote:
Norman86 wrote: when you dress your child to look like the mother, with their questionable morals and objectionable videos and lyrics...
i am glad they arent my parents! thats all im gonna say!
I think we get too puffed about Die Antwoord. Zappa sang the line "my balls feel like a pair of maraccas" in a song titled "Why Does it Hurt When I Pee?" Uriah Heep had a cover with not too well disguised male and female gentitalia about to engage. Richard Thompson recorded a song about a prostitute and creaking mattress springs (just so you don't think I'm letting myself off the hook) and also sang the lines "Now I've got a suitcase full of fifty pound notes / and a half-naked woman with her tongue down my throat / and I feel so good I'm going to break somebody's heart tonight". Robert Plant wanted the ladies to "squeeze my lemon 'till the juice runs down my leg." Ian Gillan sang "I laid the judge's daughter. Yes I did. It was nice." Leonard Cohen sang about "giving me head on the unmade bed". And we can go on an on.

There's a good canon of rock(ish) music with sexually loaded lyrics. Some like it, some shrug it off, some enjoy it, some think that's the language of rock and put up with it. Why we get upset about rap and the like and not about rock is puzzling when you think about it.

What I don't see is a strong connection between what people portray in their art and their real lives. Thompson has a long catalog of dark, sometimes violent songs ("Whiskey helps to clear my head / bring it with you into bed / and if I beat you nearly dead / I'll regret it all in the morning") and if he was singing about his own experiences by now he'd be in jail or in an asylum. But away from music he's a devout man, a teetotaller who lives a fairly ordinary suburban life, enjoys bird-watching and takes good care of his kids and coaches the school soccer team.

The art doesn't necessarily portray the artist.

Not surprising.....just illustrates his musical bankruptcy ?

AlanRatcliffe

Vic wrote: Not surprising.....just illustrates his musical bankruptcy ?

Now you're on thin ice. ? He just wanted to make good music, but realised that the only way to make enough money to afford to do so was to put lowest-common-denominator lyrics over the top of some of said music. The man was writing twelve tone serial music at 15 for heaven's sake...

vic

X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.

Again, rock was not originally about these vulgar things.......but became a vehicle for it via musically bankrupt performers

MIKA-the-better-one

Vic wrote:
X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.
Die Antwoord is NOT rock music....please !

Its more rock n roll than most "rock n roll" out there

vic

MIKA the better one wrote:
Vic wrote:
X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.
Die Antwoord is NOT rock music....please !
Its more rock n roll than most "rock n roll" out there

:roflmao: :roflmao:

vic

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
Vic wrote: Not surprising.....just illustrates his musical bankruptcy ?
Now you're on thin ice. ? He just wanted to make good music, but realised that the only way to make enough money to afford to do so was to put lowest-common-denominator lyrics over the top of some of said music. The man was writing twelve tone serial music at 15 for heaven's sake...

I know......he should have taken that to even higher levels ?

Edit: That is what makes it so sad IMHO.....having to become "weird" to make a living

MIKA-the-better-one

What if people just [refer to make some counter, or weird. I am truthfully thankfull to have a handful of artists/ songs that make me feel awkward and weird. If everyone popped out very cliche ACDC tunes I would get quite bored.